(06-25-2019, 03:53 PM)pally Wrote: our 1st round luck looks even worse when it is listed out

Rookie years of #Bengals recent first-rounders:
2015: Ced Ogbuehi limited only 5 games, college ACL
2016: Will Jackson III misses year with torn pec in camp
2017: John Ross plays 17 snaps due to injury, etc
2018: Billy Price misses 6 games (foot)
2019: Jonah Williams torn labrum

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) June 25, 2019

And let's not forget all the injury issues with Tyler Eifert (2013) and Darqueze Dennard (2014). They should take a page out of the Patriots' playbook and start trading down into the second round.  That stat is astounding.

(06-25-2019, 03:51 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: #SameDey


At some point the "bad luck" becomes bad scouting, bad medical, and bad development. Flukes that happen nonstop aren't flukes. They're a pattern.

Seriously, how could the injuries to Jackson, Price, now Williams could have been the result of bad scouting, medical, or development?  None of their injuries could have been predicted.  Football is a violent sport and injuries happen.  Not all of them could be anticipated

(06-25-2019, 03:53 PM)pally Wrote: our 1st round luck looks even worse when it is listed out

Rookie years of #Bengals recent first-rounders:
2015: Ced Ogbuehi limited only 5 games, college ACL
2016: Will Jackson III misses year with torn pec in camp
2017: John Ross plays 17 snaps due to injury, etc
2018: Billy Price misses 6 games (foot)
2019: Jonah Williams torn labrum

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) June 25, 2019

Good Lord. Why, why, WHY?

Oh, the wonderful shit show that is Cincinnati sports. I'd say it's unreal, but it's not. Just another day as a Cincy sports fan.

(06-25-2019, 03:53 PM)pally Wrote: our 1st round luck looks even worse when it is listed out

Rookie years of #Bengals recent first-rounders:
2015: Ced Ogbuehi limited only 5 games, college ACL
2016: Will Jackson III misses year with torn pec in camp
2017: John Ross plays 17 snaps due to injury, etc
2018: Billy Price misses 6 games (foot)
2019: Jonah Williams torn labrum

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) June 25, 2019

And our '14 first round pick, Dennard, played fewer than 250 defensive snaps over his first two seasons COMBINED.

(06-25-2019, 03:58 PM)Fullrock Wrote: Oh, the wonderful shit show that is Cincinnati sports. I'd say it's unreal, but it's not. Just another day as a Cincy sports fan.

(06-25-2019, 03:59 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And our '14 first round pick, Dennard, played fewer than 250 defensive snaps over his first two seasons COMBINED.

And of course, our 2013 draft pick was Eifert who gave us great hope in his rookie year and then......

(06-25-2019, 03:57 PM)pally Wrote: Seriously, how could the injuries to Jackson, Price, now Williams could have been the result of bad scouting, medical, or development?  None of their injuries could have been predicted.  Football is a violent sport and injuries happen.  Not all of them could be anticipated

Price was hurt when he was drafted. He partially tore his pec at the scouting combine. How can that not be predicted? Ogbuehi was already hurt when he was drafted as well. Those are both flaws in drafting approach.

Jackson and Williams both got hurt before football games or contact was even happening. If it was contact drills, or preseason games, or regular season games, sure. Football is violent sport. How they hell are they tearing these muscles in helmets and shorts? Once is bad luck, twice and more is either a bad stretching routine, bad trainers, poor conditioning, something.

There are 0 other teams who have gotten basically nothing positive from their 1st round picks rookie seasons the last SIX years. That's not bad luck, that's just being bad at running a football team.

(06-25-2019, 03:51 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: #SameDey

All but guarantees that when Williams sucks in 2020, people will pull out the "he was hurt his rookie year, he's basically a rookie" classic.

Shame that injuries ruined the 2019 season. But man, just wait until 2020. They'll let some people go in FA, get some sweet compensatory picks, all the people hurt each of the last four years will magically all be healthy, and will be surefire shots to win the SB.



At some point the "bad luck" becomes bad scouting, bad medical, and bad development. Flukes that happen nonstop aren't flukes. They're a pattern.

Look forward to some sweet Hobspin articles about how Hart has really turned it around. Probably through MMA... or interpretive dance. Then there will be threads made about how they sure were glad Hart was around, as if he wasn't cut by the Giants for being terrible, and then terrible for the Bengals.

Wake me up when it's no longer Groundhog Day.

HTF is a torn labrum bad scouting or bad coaching?

Its a freak accident that occurs from doing too much of the same thing (IE; throwing a baseball).

Thankfully, this surgery is an almost 100% success rate for baseball players, thus I'm not worried for the long term.

Another great draft pick! Just like that the o-line just took a significant downgrade. Probably yet another lost season. Wooooo!!!!!

(06-25-2019, 04:06 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Price was hurt when he was drafted. He partially tore his pec at the scouting combine. How can that not be predicted? Ogbuehi was already hurt when he was drafted as well. Those are both flaws in drafting approach.

Jackson and Williams both got hurt before football games or contact was even happening. If it was contact drills, or preseason games, or regular season games, sure. Football is violent sport. How they hell are they tearing these muscles in helmets and shorts? Once is bad luck, twice and more is either a bad stretching routine, bad trainers, poor conditioning, something.

There are 0 other teams who have gotten basically nothing positive from their 1st round picks rookie seasons the last SIX years. That's not bad luck, that's just being bad at running a football team.

Price missed no games with his torn pec.  He sprained his ankle when it was stepped on during a game.  It doesn't take much contact to tear a labrum or a pec muscle if you are hit in the right (wrong) spot or fall awkwardly.
You still haven't provided any reason these injuries could have been prevented.

(06-25-2019, 04:08 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: HTF is a torn labrum bad scouting or bad coaching?

Its a freak accident that occurs from doing too much of the same thing (IE; throwing a baseball).

Thankfully, this surgery is an almost 100% success rate for baseball players, thus I'm not worried for the long term.

Shoulder injuries for offensive linemen are extremely concerning to me. Ended Tony Boselli’s HOF career. They have to absorb the full force of a 300lb monster moving at full force, over and over and over again. Next to a knee or back injury, shoulder is the most concerning injury to a lineman, imo.

In the long run still a good pick.... So now Glenn back to LT and we already got an extra OG if boiling isn't ready to start the season...

Just an Extra boost to us next year when hes back. we should be able to make due this season with what we have.

(06-25-2019, 04:06 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Price was hurt when he was drafted. He partially tore his pec at the scouting combine. How can that not be predicted? Ogbuehi was already hurt when he was drafted as well. Those are both flaws in drafting approach.

Jackson and Williams both got hurt before football games or contact was even happening. If it was contact drills, or preseason games, or regular season games, sure. Football is violent sport. How they hell are they tearing these muscles in helmets and shorts? Once is bad luck, twice and more is either a bad stretching routine, bad trainers, poor conditioning, something.

There are 0 other teams who have gotten basically nothing positive from their 1st round picks rookie seasons the last SIX years. That's not bad luck, that's just being bad at running a football team.

And Jackson did not have to miss the whole year, he could have been brought back and received some solid game snaps but the idiot Merv brought Peerman back to the roster instead. 

(06-25-2019, 04:06 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Price was hurt when he was drafted. He partially tore his pec at the scouting combine. How can that not be predicted? Ogbuehi was already hurt when he was drafted as well. Those are both flaws in drafting approach.

Jackson and Williams both got hurt before football games or contact was even happening. If it was contact drills, or preseason games, or regular season games, sure. Football is violent sport. How they hell are they tearing these muscles in helmets and shorts? Once is bad luck, twice and more is either a bad stretching routine, bad trainers, poor conditioning, something.

There are 0 other teams who have gotten basically nothing positive from their 1st round picks rookie seasons the last SIX years. That's not bad luck, that's just being bad at running a football team.

but crying about it makes it all better...

Or does it make you feel better at least? I hope so

(06-25-2019, 03:53 PM)pally Wrote: our 1st round luck looks even worse when it is listed out

Rookie years of #Bengals recent first-rounders:
2015: Ced Ogbuehi limited only 5 games, college ACL
2016: Will Jackson III misses year with torn pec in camp
2017: John Ross plays 17 snaps due to injury, etc
2018: Billy Price misses 6 games (foot)
2019: Jonah Williams torn labrum

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) June 25, 2019

Billy Price is the iron man!

Now we know not to trust Taylor's comments on injuries too!

But, on the bright side...if the season goes south we can use this injury as an excuse!

In other news the Bengals announce first ever time machine that moves all 1st round picks back a year to be injured twice. Once the season before drafted and then the year drafted. In the event of a failure of said time machine all rookies will now practice on I-75 during heavy thunderstorms in rush hour traffic. Hench the new team motto, "Go play in traffic" ..   

the Browns won 7 games without a franchise LT
last year.
injuries happen.
better Williams than say Germaine Pratt. where there is very little
proven talent behind him