12-09-2019, 10:12 AM
(12-09-2019, 12:29 AM)WhodeyRay Wrote: I think you draft Burrow and bring his OC with him.
That would be sweet since there's a lot of questions about our current playcaller.
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Thoughts on Joe Burrow
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12-09-2019, 10:12 AM
(12-09-2019, 12:29 AM)WhodeyRay Wrote: I think you draft Burrow and bring his OC with him. That would be sweet since there's a lot of questions about our current playcaller.
12-09-2019, 10:44 AM
Joe Burrow has (way) better pocket presence and mobility than I was giving him credit for 1-2 months ago.
His accuracy is top notch. His demeanor is very calm, cool, and collected at all times. He doesn't have a cannon of an arm to always hit the deep ball in stride but it's a better arm than Dalton's. Barring an injury, I'm sold on Burrow as the #1 overall pick now and want him as a Bengal. He's not as perfect of a prospect as Andrew Luck was but Luck is the best prospect to come out this decade.
Zac Taylor 2019-2020: 6 total wins
Zac Taylor 2021-2022: Double-digit wins each season, plus 5 postseason wins Zac Taylor 2023: 9 wins despite losing Burrow half the season Zac Taylor 2024: Started 1-4. If he can turn this into a playoff appearance, it will be impressive. Sorry for Party Rocking!
12-09-2019, 11:08 AM
(12-09-2019, 10:10 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Is this the "throwing receivers open" thing we hear about with top level QB's ? Yea, kind of. That can have a couple meaning one being against Man you are throwing the ball where the break is going to be basically anticipating the break. The other idea is in Zone coverage there are throwing windows and in those cases he is throwing through the window expecting the WR to be there on the other side. I think he has just had better coaching then a lot of QB's at college get. He is breaking down coverages with his eyes and I think it has made the game look really easy to this point. There will still be some adjusting to the NFL because the athletes on the other side can make more plays and NFL DC's are better at scheming you into bad positions. His arm strength is fine, I'm not sure it's not that he can't throw the fastball now I more so think he chooses touch over power.
12-09-2019, 12:59 PM
I think that it's worth taking a look at some of the better arguments against taking Burrow in order to gauge whether or not the risk/reward balances out.
1. He's a one year wonder. He doesn't have enough experience or production to justify his draft stock. Programs like OSU just aren't set up to crown a franchise QB who can run a pro offense for a decade or more. They're set up to keep athletes who are doing well enough in the drivers seat. Shorter periods of time, watered down schemes, inertia for win/loss totals and experience are all factors. Once given a chance to start, he was never bad. 2. He'll be beaten down and ruined by the environment in Cincinnati. There's nothing that says that you have to throw a QB into action before they're ready. The quality of the line or the coaches really have nothing to do with JB9 as a prospect in a void. This seems to be a very defeatist line of thinking that strives for the comfort of 8-8 type of seasons rather than championship potential. 3. He's not a premium athlete with elite attributes. Maybe he doesn't have the cannon or the elite speed of some prospects. What he does appear to have are requisite tools to work with as far as arm strength and mobility. His anticipation, accuracy, and mental processing speeds DO appear to be elite at the collegiate level. Those attributes should be able to translate at the next level better than raw freak athleticism. 4. The team has more pressing needs than a QB. Isn't QB a need at this point? Couldn't a great prospect at QB potentially instill some confidence and gusto into the organization? Might Burrow not give everyone a greater sense of light at the end of the tunnel? 5. A trade down will net more potential starters. Sure. What happens when you're good enough to beat the bad teams and you still need a QB? Finding the needle in the haystack QB who falls isn't very likely. Trading up to the top of the first costs a lot of draft capital. Free agent QBs demand a lot of cap space. 6. LSU's staff and roster are why Burrow has been so good. This one is hard to disprove, because they revamped their offense just as Burrow arrived. Maybe Joe Brady and Justin Jefferson have done more of the heavy lifting than people realize. It is hard to discount just how absurdly accurate he has been this season. The numbers bear out that he's in the very least putting the ball in the right spots at the right times at a freakishly efficient level. None of them seem like particularly good arguments compared to the arguments that are in favor of taking Burrow imo.
12-09-2019, 01:03 PM
(12-09-2019, 09:50 AM)Au165 Wrote: I have been leading the Chase Young charge for over a month now and I have to tell you guys, I am now a Burrow backer. I sat down Sunday and watched a few more games and in total now I have watched 5 of his starts this year. People are going to laugh, but you guys are going to hear a comp a lot heading into this draft and people won't believe it...Tom Brady. It's not saying he will be the GOAT so calm down, but when you watch the tape the similarities between them are uncanny. I'm supposed to be gone, but I stumbled upon this and will leave after this post. Burrow is absolutely NOT cocky in the slightest; I get I'm an LSU fan (due to Whitworth) and this has been a completely magical season, but Baker Mayfield is cocky and arrogant; Burrow is absolutely not. He's a fantastic leader too, something most cocky QBs lack AND he has command over the team and offense. These traits all came out last year (needless to say, I watch a fair amount of LSU games) and he even had a decent year last year. But the system is what made him elevate his game and I definitely think he'll be a success in the pros. We even run a lot of the same plays (mainly running plays from Shotgun) as LSU, from what I can tell, thus I think he would pick things up in no time. Agreed, he should be the pick at 1 or 2, unless we trade back (no way in hell do the Giants take another QB, not going to happen). EDIT* and you pick the best remaining OT with your first 2nd round pick. Or, you trade back into the first. I think we can all agree this is sound reasoning.
12-09-2019, 01:10 PM
(12-09-2019, 09:50 AM)Au165 Wrote: I have been leading the Chase Young charge for over a month now and I have to tell you guys, I am now a Burrow backer. I sat down Sunday and watched a few more games and in total now I have watched 5 of his starts this year. People are going to laugh, but you guys are going to hear a comp a lot heading into this draft and people won't believe it...Tom Brady. It's not saying he will be the GOAT so calm down, but when you watch the tape the similarities between them are uncanny. This is exactly where I'm at. Having watched both he and Young, I love both of them. But this guy transforms the whole team. I've been a Dalton Backer, but everything I've read and seen of this guy tells me that he's like Dalton with a major post snap upgrade. As much as I'd love young, if we have a shot at this guy that's who I want.
12-09-2019, 01:30 PM
(12-09-2019, 01:03 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I'm supposed to be gone, but I stumbled upon this and will leave after this post. Stick around Truck. Nobody expected you to actually honor that silly bet.
12-09-2019, 01:40 PM
(12-09-2019, 01:03 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I'm supposed to be gone, but I stumbled upon this and will leave after this post. Disagree, I have been told by a scout (One of two I get most my information from) he comes across as arrogant to some when you talk to him. As he put it, some people will love his confidence others will hate it but it's undeniable when you talk to him. This will be his knock, because there is always a knock and he doesn't have many, as the draft season rolls on. Now how true it is? IDK but he has had his moments on the field, for instance waving to Texas fans on the sideline. He also had a run in with a professor on social media where he asked the professor why he thought they were entitled to the "fruits of their (Footballs" labor".
12-09-2019, 01:45 PM
After 15 years of a laid back California guy and a choirboy I’m ready for cocky and arrogant. Sign me up.
12-09-2019, 01:55 PM
Burrow's field vision and post snap processing is on another level compared to most recent drafted QBs. He makes his reads so quickly after the snap and makes quick excellent decisions.
12-09-2019, 06:47 PM
12-09-2019, 07:04 PM
(12-09-2019, 01:40 PM)Au165 Wrote: Disagree, I have been told by a scout (One of two I get most my information from) he comes across as arrogant to some when you talk to him. As he put it, some people will love his confidence others will hate it but it's undeniable when you talk to him. This will be his knock, because there is always a knock and he doesn't have many, as the draft season rolls on. Now how true it is? IDK but he has had his moments on the field, for instance waving to Texas fans on the sideline. He also had a run in with a professor on social media where he asked the professor why he thought they were entitled to the "fruits of their (Footballs" labor". Him being cocky doesn't bother me one bit. We kinda need that swag on this team.
12-09-2019, 07:15 PM
i decline to answer as it isn't as simple as yes or no, and Hebert shouldn't even come into the conversation as he isn't in the same realm.
Better answers: Take Burrow Take Young Trade down, collect, picks and take best players and QB of opportunity in late round 1 or round 2 Other - explain below
12-09-2019, 07:26 PM
(12-09-2019, 07:15 PM)Stewy Wrote: i decline to answer as it isn't as simple as yes or no, and Hebert shouldn't even come into the conversation as he isn't in the same realm. Hopefully you noticed that the "Take Herbert" option has 0 votes.. Volson is meh, but I like him, and he has far exceeded my expectations -Frank Booth 1/9/23
12-09-2019, 08:23 PM
Its a no brainer. If he is there you have to take Burrow. I dont mind losing out which is not something I normally advocate, but players like him dont come around often enough and we need a real franchise QB if we are ever going to reach another SB. I wish Finley were still starting at this point lol.
12-09-2019, 11:25 PM
Joe Burrow is PFFs high graded College Quarterback under pressure of all-time.
12-10-2019, 01:22 AM
(12-09-2019, 11:25 PM)Synric Wrote: Joe Burrow is PFFs high graded College Quarterback under pressure of all-time. But...but ONE YEAR WONDER!!! ITS THE SYSTEM AND COACHING!!!
12-10-2019, 08:58 AM
(12-09-2019, 11:25 PM)Synric Wrote: Joe Burrow is PFFs high graded College Quarterback under pressure of all-time. His ability to throw with pressure, especially pressure in his face, is what pops out on film. LSU is a big time name in college football but their O line is not big time, in fact I only see one player on it right now he would be draft able. I will say, I wish he'd get rid of the ball more because there are times him extending the play results in him taking some big hits.
12-10-2019, 09:27 AM
Those who have been watching his games - give me your top three reasons why he'll succeed in the NFL and top three reasons why he'll fail in the NFL
12-10-2019, 09:47 AM
(12-10-2019, 09:27 AM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: Those who have been watching his games - give me your top three reasons why he'll succeed in the NFL and top three reasons why he'll fail in the NFL Three reason's why he could succeed...
I posed the reasons why as questions because the difficulty here is I don't think he does fail so I am more so looking at notes I have and trying to come up with some potential issues not ones that are necessarily a real worry to me. The deep ball issue I think will creep up occasionally in the NFL, but that's a mechanics issue and that still will break down as a vet as we see guys do it every weekend. |
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