(11-23-2020, 04:43 PM)jj22 Wrote: Hopefully no nerve damage.

LOL.  At this point, I'm wondering if you really do hope there is nerve damage so you can keep you "draft a QB" shtick going.

(11-23-2020, 04:38 PM)Tony Wrote: Is knee was 100% dislocated.. there is a video of the knee cap coming out on YouTube 

There's a big difference if it dislocated and stays dislocated or if it pops back into place as well as what actually dislocated. We don't know what happened with his at this point. 

(11-23-2020, 04:38 PM)Tony Wrote: Is knee was 100% dislocated.. there is a video of the knee cap coming out on YouTube 

1. Considering what you wrote earlier, you aren't a doctor, so who knows if it was dislocated or not?
2. Whatever happened, the knee popped right back into place, on it's own
3. As mentioned by Breech, there may be a tear of the meniscus (which indeed is a bit more complicated), but that's it.

I still don't see why everyone is freaking out so much; MCLs heal quicker than ACLs (MUCH quicker). Torn menusicus heals quicker than ACLs. PCLs and LCLs heal quicker than ACLs.

As Breech said, barring no setbacks, this should be a 6-9 month recovery time; what makes additional stuff on top of the ACL, "so bad!"? Do you think your body only heals one thing at a time?

(11-23-2020, 04:42 PM)pally Wrote:

Can confirm Joe Burrow's injury is a tear of the ACL and MCL, but it is viewed as a nine-month recovery.

That would put him in line to return next year for the #Bengals and that sounds like the expectation.

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) November 23, 2020

As I predicted, we will see Joey B in training camp. Now can we dismiss all the "his career is over" hysteria?

(11-23-2020, 04:46 PM)RiverRat13 Wrote: LOL.  At this point, I'm wondering if you really do hope there is nerve damage so you can keep you "draft a QB" shtick going.

He does. They just said he is going to have a 9 month recovery and should be ready for camp. 

(11-23-2020, 04:46 PM)RiverRat13 Wrote: LOL.  At this point, I'm wondering if you really do hope there is nerve damage so you can keep you "draft a QB" shtick going.

People have to take alternative opinions a little better than this. To act like any of us wanted to see this is lame, or be discussing this today is lame, insulting, and more reflective of your character the anyone elses. 

The structural damage is what I am most worried about. I hope he doesn't lose too much of his mobility due to this injury.

(11-23-2020, 04:23 PM)pally Wrote: Teddy had vascular and nerve damage from a dislocation.  That is NOT Joe's injury.

In fact it is very much like Carson's who tore the ACL, PCL, and MCL

"Other structural damage" should be noted as they mentioned ACL/MCL.

Vascular and nerve damage would fall into "other structural damage"

(11-23-2020, 04:41 PM)Au165 Wrote: Just as a reminder Palmer tore his ACL, MCL, and PCL. He was back for the next preseason 8 months later. I wouldn’t expect that return but it’s not out of the question, again being the lead leg instead of drive leg is a big deal here.

Didn't Deshaun Watson have similar/same? 

(11-23-2020, 04:49 PM)jj22 Wrote: People have to take alternative opinions a little better than this. To act like any of us wanted to see this is lame, or be discussing this today is lame, insulting, and more reflective of your character the anyone elses. 

You were talking alternative options like literally less than 2 hours after it happened. Before any diagnosis, any real news. Like many of us said, unless they say he can't play there is 0 chance this team takes another QB. It's not alternative opinions that people don't take well, its opinions that have 0 factual backing, and are quite frankly just in poor taste at this point. Until a professional says, he will never come back or be anything close to what he is, the QB argument is silly. 

(11-23-2020, 04:39 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Where did I say that? He has a long painful rehab in front of him. I have confidence his competitiveness will allow him to push through it like the champ he is and will be ready by camp. And the post you are referencing has to do with the media???? Heck my niece blew out both her ACL's and one MCL  playing soccer and rehabbed both of them just fine. Medicine is better than it used to be. She saw the same specialists that take care of the Titans.

All I'm saying is we don't know anything, the doctors are still looking into it, there are a lot of variables at play here and Burrow being tough doesn't make his body magically heal.

I'm not going to say he's going to be 100% any more than I'm going to say he and ZT are going to RG3 him because they can't stand the idea of BUrrow missing time.  

(11-23-2020, 04:53 PM)Rubekahn29 Wrote: You were talking alternative options like literally less than 2 hours after it happened. Before any diagnosis, any real news. Like many of us said, unless they say he can't play there is 0 chance this team takes another QB. It's not alternative opinions that people don't take well, its opinions that have 0 factual backing, and are quite frankly just in poor taste at this point. Until a professional says, he will never come back or be anything close to what he is, the QB argument is silly. 

I didn't start the thread for options for the 3rd overall pick. I just didn't say the same thing everyone else did. It's good to have other opinions on a message board. I didn't insult anyone, didn't personally attack anyone, didn't mock anyone....

I just said something different then the group think.

(11-23-2020, 04:58 PM)jj22 Wrote: I didn't start the thread for options for the 3rd overall pick. I just didn't say the same thing everyone else did. It's good to have other opinions on a message board. I didn't insult anyone, didn't personally attack anyone, didn't mock anyone....

I just said something different then the group think.

Thats fine thats your opinion, but don't be mad at people for thinking your opinion isn't a very good one. 

(11-23-2020, 04:51 PM)jj22 Wrote: "Other structural damage" should be noted as they mentioned ACL/MCL.

Vascular and nerve damage would fall into "other structural damage"

Vascular and nerve damage in a joint is a medical emergency. He would have had surgery last night.  When they are talking about structural damage they are far more likely referring to cartilage and/or meniscus damage

(11-23-2020, 04:35 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Why don't you apply to be a moderator then, bfine?   

(11-23-2020, 04:49 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: The structural damage is what I am most worried about. I hope he doesn't lose too much of his mobility due to this injury.

Don't forget, he will most likely want/need to wear a knee brace for the rest of his career.  I don't care WHO you are, those things affect your speed and mobility.

(11-23-2020, 04:46 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: 1. Considering what you wrote earlier, you aren't a doctor, so who knows if it was dislocated or not?
2. Whatever happened, the knee popped right back into place, on it's own
3. As mentioned by Breech, there may be a tear of the meniscus (which indeed is a bit more complicated), but that's it.

I still don't see why everyone is freaking out so much; MCLs heal quicker than ACLs (MUCH quicker). Torn menusicus heals quicker than ACLs. PCLs and LCLs heal quicker than ACLs.

As Breech said, barring no setbacks, this should be a 6-9 month recovery time; what makes additional stuff on top of the ACL, "so bad!"? Do you think your body only heals one thing at a time?

Seriously? 

I don't get why your say this just to be argumentative. Everyone just heard the news that the MRI outcome was worse than hoping for a franchise QB. And I think you might not be putting too much emphasis on that "barring setback" statement. Regardless of current medical tech and the number of players you can point at that have went through this, the more damage there was the higher the risk that recovery time is extended or that he's never able to become the same player. 

You know exactly why people are concerned that this could be a serious impact on his future ability. If you want to live in the sunshine future that this is all trivial and he'll be back better than before that's wonderful for you. 

(11-23-2020, 05:04 PM)Tomkat Wrote: Don't forget, he will most likely want/need to wear a knee brace for the rest of his career.  I don't care WHO you are, those things affect your speed and mobility.

What if you're Deshawn Watson?

(11-23-2020, 04:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: but yes; drama is high and mostly from grown men

Not that I'm speculating on any of this injury recovery stuff, but you should be careful assuming everyone is a grown man.

I, for example, identify as a pansexual transexual elf from the Lolly Pop Guild.  And on my birthdays I identify as Unicorn named Bartholomew.

Please be kind.  Is it that hard?

As stated previously, the football world better give the Bengals an endless supply of shit about this and force them to make some changes. At this point I would feel relieved to hear that the Bengals are no longer a team so I wouldn’t have to watch this train wreck any more.