(04-11-2017, 09:59 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: FA RT?  They don't sign fa.  The didn't even keep their own FA LT.  I blame ebenezer


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(04-12-2017, 12:15 AM)BigSeph Wrote: Went 2-2 with him as a starter, the two losses were to the eventual SB champion Denver Broncos in Denver in overtime, and to the Pittsburgh Steelers after the Bengals had the lead and the ball with less than 3 minutes to play.  Before Hill, Pacman and Burfict choked.


This is as stupid as saying "If ANY of the other 31 other teams felt like Tom Brady was a star in the making, they would've (a) drafted him in rounds 1-5 of the 2000 draft...when he was well known as the QB of Michigan, or (b) offered a 1st to the Patriots while he was on the bench behind Bledsoe."
I'm not saying AJM = Tom Brady (despite the similarities in rate passing stats in their first NFL season of experience).  What I'm saying is that your premise is really stupid.
Gosh why didn't teams draft Aaron Rodgers when they all had the chance.  Why didn't teams all draft Drew Brees when they had the chance.  Why didn't teams draft Tony Romo at all, or at least trade for him when he was riding the pine in Dallas?
Don't quit your day job, whatever that is.

(04-12-2017, 12:15 AM)BigSeph Wrote: Went 2-2 with him as a starter, the two losses were to the eventual SB champion Denver Broncos in Denver in overtime, and to the Pittsburgh Steelers after the Bengals had the lead and the ball with less than 3 minutes to play.  Before Hill, Pacman and Burfict choked.


This is as stupid as saying "If ANY of the other 31 other teams felt like Tom Brady was a star in the making, they would've (a) drafted him in rounds 1-5 of the 2000 draft...when he was well known as the QB of Michigan, or (b) offered a 1st to the Patriots while he was on the bench behind Bledsoe."
I'm not saying AJM = Tom Brady (despite the similarities in rate passing stats in their first NFL season of experience).  What I'm saying is that your premise is really stupid.
Gosh why didn't teams draft Aaron Rodgers when they all had the chance.  Why didn't teams all draft Drew Brees when they had the chance.  Why didn't teams draft Tony Romo at all, or at least trade for him when he was riding the pine in Dallas?
Don't quit your day job, whatever that is.

(04-12-2017, 01:34 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Aaron Rodgers was the 2nd QB taken in the draft by a team that did not even need a QB. He must have been kind of wanted.

Drew Brees was also the 2nd QB taken in draft after Michael Vick. 

Not every team drafting is looking for a QB early. 

Tony Romo went under radar per coming from Ohio Valley Conference yet still should have been drafted. 

Brady was a victim of being forced to split time with freshman Drew Henson and was often booed by his own fans even though he did well. Very odd situation that have never understood. 

Believe the bottom two support your stand but not the first two. Just do not see AJM becoming one of these guys, maybe an adequate QB but not elite. Maybe not making an adequate one either.  

(04-12-2017, 12:15 AM)BigSeph Wrote: Went 2-2 with him as a starter, the two losses were to the eventual SB champion Denver Broncos in Denver in overtime, and to the Pittsburgh Steelers after the Bengals had the lead and the ball with less than 3 minutes to play.  Before Hill, Pacman and Burfict choked.


This is as stupid as saying "If ANY of the other 31 other teams felt like Tom Brady was a star in the making, they would've (a) drafted him in rounds 1-5 of the 2000 draft...when he was well known as the QB of Michigan, or (b) offered a 1st to the Patriots while he was on the bench behind Bledsoe."
I'm not saying AJM = Tom Brady (despite the similarities in rate passing stats in their first NFL season of experience).  What I'm saying is that your premise is really stupid.
Gosh why didn't teams draft Aaron Rodgers when they all had the chance.  Why didn't teams all draft Drew Brees when they had the chance.  Why didn't teams draft Tony Romo at all, or at least trade for him when he was riding the pine in Dallas?
Don't quit your day job, whatever that is.

(04-12-2017, 08:41 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: How could any fan under appreciate their QB? Shame on those Michigan fans.

(04-12-2017, 10:27 AM)Wyche Wrote: Dalton beat Denver when Peyton was still good, without AJ Green.....jus' sayin'.

(04-12-2017, 10:36 AM)Go Cards Wrote: AJ is not on Dalton's level.

That much is for sure right now.

If they were both on the block it would not just be noticeably different. It would not even be a race, every team needing a QB would call. 

(04-12-2017, 10:36 AM)Go Cards Wrote: AJ is not on Dalton's level.

That much is for sure right now.

If they were both on the block it would not just be noticeably different. It would not even be a race, every team needing a QB would call. 

(04-12-2017, 10:41 AM)Wyche Wrote: McCarron is a very good backup, and will most likely make a serviceable starter.  That being said, all they had to do at Denver was go from man coverage to zone, and he was lost.  All one has to do is watch the tape.  He was on fire in the first half, and became non existent in the second.  What was the difference?  Also, anyone who doesn't think the offense was scaled WAY back when he took over either needs an eye exam, or is kidding themselves.  He's a good guy, has good qualities, and hustles.....but some sort of wizard savior, he is not.  There is a reason he sits behind Dalton.....  

(04-12-2017, 11:05 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Do not hate AJM and think he "may" be a good NFL QB. 

The book is not written yet and the first chapter was ok. Could build on that foundation or stay that way throughout. 

If many NFL scouts thought differently we would already have received a #1 pick for him. 

Good kid and hope he does well, but we need help in other areas presently which makes a luxury of a back up QB expendable in my book. If not for all our holes I would say keep him forever. 

(04-12-2017, 11:05 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Do not hate AJM and think he "may" be a good NFL QB. 

The book is not written yet and the first chapter was ok. Could build on that foundation or stay that way throughout. 

If many NFL scouts thought differently we would already have received a #1 pick for him. 

Good kid and hope he does well, but we need help in other areas presently which makes a luxury of a back up QB expendable in my book. If not for all our holes I would say keep him forever. 

(04-12-2017, 10:41 AM)Wyche Wrote: McCarron is a very good backup, and will most likely make a serviceable starter.  That being said, all they had to do at Denver was go from man coverage to zone, and he was lost.  All one has to do is watch the tape.  He was on fire in the first half, and became non existent in the second.  What was the difference?  Also, anyone who doesn't think the offense was scaled WAY back when he took over either needs an eye exam, or is kidding themselves.  He's a good guy, has good qualities, and hustles.....but some sort of wizard savior, he is not.  There is a reason he sits behind Dalton.....  

(04-12-2017, 12:21 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Exactly. The guy has natural leadership qualities, solid accuracy and the game isn't too big for him. He doesn't look overwhelmed at all when he's in there, and that's all you can ask for in a backup. I'm 50/50 on whether he'll eventually get a shot somewhere, whether it's via trade or as a FA. Maybe he will...or maybe we're all (some of us especially so) overrating him. Jim O has suggested as much.

If he does get traded, I don't think he'll garner more than a 2nd round pick - if that - and as a starter, I don't think he'll have long term success. His arm would be among the worst in the NFL (among starters). He struggled with zone and disguised blitzes. He hangs on to the ball a lot. He's pretty oblivious in the pocket. Maybe these things get better, maybe not. It took Dalton 5 seasons to reach his full potential. McCarron is 27 in September.

To sum up my stance on Mac, I understand some optimism. He had a great college career where he was a well-known star and he exceeded expectations somewhat when Dalton went down. I get all that, but when you have guys claiming "star in the making", or "next Tom Brady", and saying we should get a 1st round pick for him, I feel a need to check these guys. 

(04-12-2017, 12:15 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Too many differen t issues getting twisted together.

1.  How much do you value a good back up QB?

2.  How good is McCarron?  What can we get for him?

3.  Is value we get greater than value he has as our back up QB?

I think everyone here would let him go for a first round pick.  And I don't think anyone would give him away for a fourth rounder.  The discussion is where do you fall in between.

Also want to add that I am pretty sure AJ will just be a restricted free agent next year.  So we will not lose him "for nothing"  instead we can probably keep him anothe year at less than $4 million or get a high draft pick (first or second round tender) if someone signs him away.

(04-12-2017, 11:31 AM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: I agree with this, but we also don't know what has or has not been offered for him.  I also think it is grossly unfair to compare 2015 Dalton to the five games McCarron played in 2015.  That was Dalton's fifth year as the starter, his fifth year getting all the first team reps.  I hear people say "McCarron held onto the ball too long", "he didn't go through his progression as fast as Dalton"... obviously, because it was Dalton's fifth year as the starter.  If he would have come into his first real game action as a pro and either matched or out performed our fifth year starter that would be a real problem and an indictment of Andy.

Personally, I think McCarron is going to be what Andy Dalton is... an above average NFL starting quarterback.  Is he going to be a perennial All Pro, future Hall of Fame, record setting quarterback?  No, but neither is Andy Dalton.  I also think the Browns could be a good situation for a guy like McCarron, but according to reports over the last 24 hours they seem to be falling in love with Trubisky so we may never know.

(04-12-2017, 12:38 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Agree mostly but believe AJM will be a step below Dalton when it is said and done. 

Like you pointed out he already does not get the same work in as Andy and if the Bengals keep him as a back up for 2 more years it will not help his cause. 

That being said the greatest job in the NFL may be a lifetime back up QB. Will still get paid and be able to walk and still chew bubblegum at the same time in your 50's. 

(04-12-2017, 01:08 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Bill Polian puts Mccaron's value at a first possibly more fwiw. He was on ESPN a month ago saying he would go after Mccarron before Garroppalo. He's a former general manager so I give his position credence.