(01-13-2018, 10:46 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Pulling for him and his new staff to prove MB has held Bengals back for years with a big season.

(01-14-2018, 10:20 AM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: Marvin is complicit. You think anyone with a burning desire to win would’ve been happy or even ok with being held back for 17 straight years?

(01-14-2018, 02:38 AM)TKUHL Wrote: Is there any proof Marvin was even givin more control to pick his staff. We all know Mike doesn't like change, who's to say Mike isn't the one to make the demands. You still want to coach Marvin, well you've had 15 years, I'll pay you 4 million again but I'm picking the coordinators.

A successful franchise wouldn't allow a 15 year coach with his record not under contract make demands. Insane just thinking about this.

(01-14-2018, 10:20 AM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: Marvin is complicit. You think anyone with a burning desire to win would’ve been happy or even ok with being held back for 17 straight years?

(01-13-2018, 10:44 PM)Go Cards Wrote: When Marvin leave ?

When Hell freezes over !

(01-14-2018, 10:20 AM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: Marvin is complicit. You think anyone with a burning desire to win would’ve been happy or even ok with being held back for 17 straight years?

(01-13-2018, 10:44 PM)Go Cards Wrote: When Marvin leave ?

When Hell freezes over !

(01-14-2018, 11:32 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Fwiw, I'm not buying the suddenly very popular narrative that Marv was given more control (we had the same narrative going after the Jan 2011 press conference). Like Holic said, we had a bunch of coaches up at once and that made it easy to swap some guys out. Some of these guys left on their own volition (Guenther and possibly Urban, maybe more).

So the HC is the same.
They didn't want to change either of the coordinators.
We brought in what? 3 new position coaches and a couple position assistants?

Sure the guys we hired were pretty high quality. I'm still not buying that this is a power shift and Mikey is going to let Marv run the team. People constantly underestimate Mike and seem to need to create this idea that he's stepping away. It will never happen. He apparently loves Marv like a newborn loves it's binky, and because of that he'll make some concessions every now and then...but don't let it fool you. Mike will never concede full-on control of his team (money).

He will never build a practice facility (something that was supposed to be a sticking point after 2010). He will never push his chips in on free agency. He will always stick his nose in on player decisions when he sees fit to. At 82 years old, I think he is who he is, and any hope for real change is long gone.

(01-14-2018, 11:57 AM)BengalsRocker Wrote: For all we know.

Most wanted raises and Mike didn't want to abide.

Those who were okay with proposed pay or didn't want to go anywhere stayed.

This power shift change could all be a sense of suspended reality for the fans.

(01-13-2018, 03:58 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: One of the issues I have (seriously, I do) is with all the ex-steeler coaches coming to town. I'm trying to talk my way off the "Trojan Horse" ledge. Thoughts reminiscent that of something I heard once about radical Muslim beliefs that the best way to defeat a country is from within (probably not close to accurate, but seriously, I heard that somewhere). So, with those 2 examples you can kinda see where the conspiracy thinking is coming from.

However, there is a little voice inside my head (believe me, there are many) which is telling me that Marvin is bringing in all these ex's as a way to plan against them. The more knowledge and experience you have from all levels of that organization, might actually help you gameplan against them and bring them down. Then again, if the general leading this wage of war on the steelers is Marvin? Well, we are screwed anyway because even with all the assistance in game planning. He's just not that good of a game planner or game manager. Hell, he's really not that good at a lot of things it takes to win. His flaws are countless.

I guess we wont know until we get through half the season next year on where we stand. I hope we are dominant and kick butt in primetime, win playoff GAMES and even make it to the SB at the end of the season. But if we make it? We can't lose this one.

Geez, I just talked our way to a SB? I have to get real and pour the koolade down the drain and open a beer and get real.

(01-14-2018, 11:32 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Fwiw, I'm not buying the suddenly very popular narrative that Marv was given more control (we had the same narrative going after the Jan 2011 press conference). Like Holic said, we had a bunch of coaches up at once and that made it easy to swap some guys out. Some of these guys left on their own volition (Guenther and possibly Urban, maybe more).

So the HC is the same.
They didn't want to change either of the coordinators.
We brought in what? 3 new position coaches and a couple position assistants?

Sure the guys we hired were pretty high quality. I'm still not buying that this is a power shift and Mikey is going to let Marv run the team. People constantly underestimate Mike and seem to need to create this idea that he's stepping away. It will never happen. He apparently loves Marv like a newborn loves it's binky, and because of that he'll make some concessions every now and then...but don't let it fool you. Mike will never concede full-on control of his team (money).

He will never build a practice facility (something that was supposed to be a sticking point after 2010). He will never push his chips in on free agency. He will always stick his nose in on player decisions when he sees fit to. At 82 years old, I think he is who he is, and any hope for real change is long gone.

(01-14-2018, 11:57 AM)BengalsRocker Wrote: For all we know.

Most wanted raises and Mike didn't want to abide.

Those who were okay with proposed pay or didn't want to go anywhere stayed.

This power shift change could all be a sense of suspended reality for the fans.

(01-14-2018, 12:04 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Bengal fans on the hope train.

(01-14-2018, 11:08 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: The Bengals are like Hotel California. We can check out any time we like, but Marv will never leave.

(01-14-2018, 12:22 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Plus the song is about Hell and sometimes it feels as fans we are stuck in some sort of recycled  Bengals hell. 

(01-14-2018, 12:12 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I couldn't agree more Shake and I'm not buying it either. Until I see this team actually start being ran like a real NFL franchise it's all talk !

Now if we actually get a free agent or two on the first couple days, cut some dead wood that still is under contract, draft some O-line early etc. I might start believing ?

(01-14-2018, 11:32 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: He will never build a practice facility (something that was supposed to be a sticking point after 2010). He will never push his chips in on free agency. He will always stick his nose in on player decisions when he sees fit to. At 82 years old, I think he is who he is, and any hope for real change is long gone.

(01-14-2018, 12:40 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Same here. That would be a major change in Mike's very unique philosophy, which seems to center around saving money.