(07-25-2019, 08:52 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: FootballGuys has its list of players that could blow away their average draft position in fantasy this year, and ours in John Ross:


I love how it calls out Marvin right off the bat because that was always Marvin's MO: never giving players (especially rookies) the opportunity to do what they do best and unlock their full potential.  

He only played in thirteen games last year with only 21 catches but 7 touchdowns, which is a pretty damn good ratio.  He obviously won't keep up with that pace, but he has a knack for making big plays and the potential is there.

Let's hope Taylor and the rest of the new coaches use him to his potential and he blows up this year!  

Imagine having a consistent threat to go deep opposite of AJ or even a guy that can just catch a pass anywhere and go the distance.

If you need a reminder of how he can move, here he is with a little shake and bake! here he is with a little shake-and-bake!

(07-25-2019, 10:11 AM)I_C_DeadPeople Wrote: If he did explode how much cap room would that create?

(07-25-2019, 09:43 AM)fredtoast Wrote: This just is not true.  Marvin played rookies and young players as much as the average NFL coach.  We had tons of rookies start under Marvin.
And nothing indicates that Marvin did not like Ross.  All of the evidence points to Ross not being good enough to get on the field his rookies season.

(07-25-2019, 11:40 AM)BengalChris Wrote: ^^^ This

It's funny how the same excuses keep getting recycled when it comes to John Ross.

(07-25-2019, 10:11 AM)I_C_DeadPeople Wrote: If he did explode how much cap room would that create?

(07-25-2019, 12:42 AM)jason Wrote: But that's all he's done is score 7 TDS. That's pretty good I suppose, but Mike Williams scored 10 TDS on 60 something targets as a number 3 WR for the Chargers last year. Ross has mental lapses, and brick hands. He's inefficient as all get out. The guy is a top 10 pick. Those guys come in and contribute day one. They aren't supposed to be 3 year projects. I don't hate the guy (hated the pick), but he's been a severe disappointment. You can't blame Marvin either. John Ross deals with position coaches, and coordinators more than he did Marvin.

(07-25-2019, 01:32 AM)treee Wrote: Hmm, I think I'll just remember that sick-nasty preseason reception and ensuing juke-fest Hope ZT and crew can put him in the right position to make a bigger (and more consistent) impact.

(07-25-2019, 07:23 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Meh, TO scored 10 tds in 2010 and we were fine letting him go.  On a more relayed note, I'm not saying we have to move on from Ross I'm just saying these stats put things in perspective IF ZT can't instantly fix the guy.  

As Fred has pointed out before, we have other offensive players who weren't driven into the 860th rank by Marvin.

(07-25-2019, 11:48 AM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: TO was old and a cancer, nice comparison.

(07-24-2019, 07:44 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Stuff like this happens when your not running the right routs or give up on play. He fixes that, he fixes those stats.

(07-24-2019, 07:44 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Stuff like this happens when your not running the right routs or give up on play. He fixes that, he fixes those stats.

(07-25-2019, 12:17 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I suppose, but this could be akin to optimistic Jaguars fans talking about how Bort Bortles is going to fix his throwing mechanics and finally reach is #3 overall pick potential and so on.  I really do hope Ross does well, but oof talking about a top 10 pick needing to make a slew of fundamental changes going into his 3rd year. 

(07-25-2019, 10:10 AM)ochocincos Wrote: While Ross definitely should shoulder some of the blame for his lack of production up to this point, I think a big issue was that the team wanted to use him in a very particular way.

He was often sent on more deep routes and the occasional jet sweep. His average depth of target was 14.6, which was the deepest on the team.
I really don't recall him being utilized a lot in the short passing game, which was a forte of his at Washington. I think a good indicator too of this being his strength is how productive he was in the red zone last year. Basically, he was forced into short yardage routes because the field was squished and he was able to produce very well.

I really hope we see Ross utilized (a lot) more in short routes like screens, slants, etc.

(07-25-2019, 12:22 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: we do generally see WRs really take off year 3

sanu
Jones
Boyd
(TJ way before)

where some of our latest examples.

(07-25-2019, 12:23 PM)McC Wrote: You are so right.  He does have outstanding short area quickness, which, as you said, his red zone success proves.

(07-25-2019, 12:05 PM)Nately120 Wrote: We need to decide if scoring TDs during a worthless season is a positive thing or not.  At any rate, ZT could possibly coach Ross up, but as I see it Dalton doesn't trust the guy and there are some compelling reasons why he shouldn't.  But yes, he scored 7 TDs last season, so maybe he just becomes the red zone threat we thought Auden Tate would be.

Regardless, even if he doesn't get better in 2019 the reasons to put off judging him for another year or two will remain.  And if Ross does explode in 2019 you can hardly get on people's cases for being surprised by it.

(07-25-2019, 12:10 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: well you got to get a hand on it before you can drop it.

(07-25-2019, 12:22 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: we do generally see WRs really take off year 3

sanu
Jones
Boyd
(TJ way before)

where some of our latest examples.

(07-25-2019, 12:23 PM)McC Wrote: You are so right.  He does have outstanding short area quickness, which, as you said, his red zone success proves.