(06-15-2016, 11:41 AM)samhain Wrote: I don't think Baelish is interested in her hand in marriage.  It would give away his position and compromise his alliances and cons with the crew in King's Landing.  I believe his interest is in Sansa as a puppet to cement control of 2 major houses.  His aspirations are too big for it to end with that.  

Also, does anyone ever wonder if Baelish secretly knows about R+L=J?  He clearly has some idea on the show after the scene with Sansa in the Winterfell crypts.  Perhaps his endgame has been to back Jon for the iron throne this whole time.  What better way to draw Jon into the conflict than to give his sister to the Boltons and draw him back south of the wall?

(06-15-2016, 11:41 AM)samhain Wrote: Also, does anyone ever wonder if Baelish secretly knows about R+L=J?  

(06-15-2016, 02:48 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Seems like he would, then perhaps marry Sansa and become Lord of Winterfell (which is as far as anyone can hope to climb in one life).

I thought you were going somewhere else with that question re: Sansa.....is Baelish asexual?  Seems like he gets off on power...on the tv show, it's never shown him to have any relations or interest (aside from Cat)

Take that back...he did yeoman's work on the Lady of the Vale, but clearly viewed it as a necessary evil

(06-16-2016, 05:00 PM)Beaker Wrote: Does anyone think Varys may be up to something more than "recruiting friends" in his secret mission to Westeros? One thing that was mysterious to me was that he took off right before the Masters attacked. He was the one who used his "little birds" to find out that the Masters were financing the Sons of the Harpy. Yet the Masters plan an all out attack on Mereen and he knows nothing of the impending attack? I just find him taking off right before the attack and apparently not knowing it was coming to be a little suspicious. Shouldn't that be something the freaking Master of Spies knows about?

(06-16-2016, 05:04 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Varys serves the realm and only the realm. He's made that very clear. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he is undermining Danys conquest of Westeros. Even more with his distrust of the religious types now that the red priestesses are talking up Dany.

(06-17-2016, 02:27 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: ....while Aegon had the name and being a male danny has the dragons.

(06-17-2016, 03:16 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Would the battle for the north be a good time to intro lady stoneheart?

(06-17-2016, 03:45 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Not sure how they can work her in at this point.  Awful lot of story left to tell and not much time just to show a few scenes of Lady Stoneheart reeking revenge.

Although I could see maybe Ramsey escaping and running into her.  She may run into a few of the Frey's, as well.  But then what do you do with her - is there a reunion, does she die and how....

(06-17-2016, 03:58 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: I would say the Freys call for help from the Crown (the crown sends Jaime)   The freys need help because they are being hanged by the brotherhood without banners (who at this point is lead by stoneheart)  although they show the lightening lord alive.  Which he was when they resurrected cat.. but then died again and she took over.

(06-17-2016, 04:24 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Interesting.  Read some analysis that assumed him being alive meant no Stoneheart.  Certainly doesn't seem significant enough, to the show at least, to have to bring that character to conclusion.  Are the BWB even important to the show beyond being necessary to the scenes with The Hound?  It appears he may join them, but certainly an open question at this point.

Only having watched the show, the Freys getting weakened by the BWB isn't something I'd put together or suspect.  As only a show watcher, that entire scene seems necessary only for bringing Jaime and Brienne together.

They could show us Stoneheart through one of Bran's visions (which would be a jaw-dropping season finale).  But practically speaking, they really have to move on to larger plot lines in the final 16(?) episodes.

But maybe you can look at Coldhand, and perhaps even the Blackfish (he may not be dead, but as far as we know he is) and think the writers DO seem interested in giving readers some sort of closure.

On the other hand, Ramsey has been so, so, SOOOOOO horrible that only a particularly brutal death will do.  Lady Stoneheart might be the only truly satisfactory option there.

(06-17-2016, 04:39 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Calling that ramsey Bolton meets his end at the teeth of Ghost... as he is about to finish jon snow... It would only be fitting with how he like to feed people to the dogs.

(06-17-2016, 05:00 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: That's a good call, and the sort of artsy-irony writers often like to use.
I'm probably thinking it takes them longer to bring everything together than it actually will....but I'm struggling to see what role BWB is going to play.  Don't know how big they are, but seem to be kind of a decentralized vigilante group - so nothing major in the way of what they can bring to an army, or even the fight against the WW.
Maybe Arya will re-unite with The Hound and serve the role of Lady Stoneheart?  Leaving The Hound for dead could be a loophole to remove him from her list 

(06-19-2016, 11:57 PM)Millhouse Wrote: CKwi88 pretty much nailed it. And Melisandre's time may be coming to an end soon now that Davos knows the truth.