(02-18-2022, 02:27 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Dennis Roland played next to Bobbie Williams.
Nate Livings played next to Andrew Whitworth.
Cedric Ogbuehi played next to Kevin Zeitler.

They were all still three problems. They need to add 4 upgrades on the OL. One guy gets you nowhere other than 2020 and 2021 all over again.

I don't think anyone is arguing for a bunch of C+ guys, are they? Because I haven't seen anyone mention getting a bunch of XSFs.

(02-15-2022, 09:03 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Agreed on not trusting Reiff.


Expecting a 34-year-old OT who hasn't played a full season since 2015 (6 straight seasons of being hurt) to suddenly stay healthy is a foolish bet.


So you want at least 4/5ths of the OL to stay the same? Again? After watching Burrow get battered for the second straight year? 

They already did the "trust Frank Pollack" thing for 2021. 4 of the 5 starting OL who were in the game Burrow got his knee destroyed in 2020 continued to be starters for the 2021 playoffs that saw him get pummeled. 

That's insanity. 


I would. Dude can't stay healthy. He's missed multiple games each of the last 5 years, and at least 5 games missed in each of the last 4 years. He's only played 43 out of his last 81 games and now he's heading into his age 31 season. He won't get MORE durable in his 30s and all those injuries will add up to shorten careers anyway.

That seems like a poor plan. Reiff wasn't the answer and he was a B guy. XSF was C+. A large pile of mediocrity is still just mediocrity. Go out there and fix the problem with proper talent and go win a Super Bowl. Get me 3 A tier guys and a 1st rounder to go with Jonah, protect Burrow, and lets roll over the NFL for the next couple years.

(02-19-2022, 04:53 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Who are your guys TLL?

For me it is James Daniels, Morgan Moses and Andrew Norwell. DO IT.

(02-19-2022, 05:39 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: James Daniels
Bradley Bozeman
Austin Corbett

Corbett's spotrac projection is 4yr/$35m ($8.75m/yr)
Bozeman's spotrac projection is 4yr/$40m ($10m/yr)
Corbett's spotrac projection is 4yr/$35m ($8.75m/yr)

So $27.5m/yr, but $6m savings from cutting Hopkins when you replace him with Bozeman. Even if you add extra money thinking they'll be $2m/yr each or whatever more than projection that is very reasonable to absolutely just fix the entire IOL instantly.

I don't think any of the three teams could realistically franchise tag those guys (only the Bears technically have the money) and they're not just significant upgrades, but also are young enough that the Bengals can keep the same OL together for a good couple years. Daniels heading into age 25 season, Corbett heading into age 27 season, Bozeman heading into age 28 season. Combined with Jonah heading into age 25 season and a 1st round RT, that OL could be completely together for 4-5 years no problem.

Plus as an added bonus all three have been winners in their careers. (Rams and Ravens, obviously, but surprisingly the Bears are actually 34-31 in his 4 years.) 

James Daniels is the only one of the three to have missed any games the last 2 years, and that was the only games he missed in his whole 4 year career. So no real injury concerns either. Availability being the best ability and all that jazz.

Also like Daniel Faalele at #31. Huge human being to play RT and Daniel Jeremiah said he reminded him a little of Orlando Brown Jr and I have seen his pro comparisons as Jordan Mailata who was just PFFs #3 T in 2021.

Jonah Williams
James Daniels
Bradley Bozeman
Austin Corbett
Daniel Faalele

(02-19-2022, 06:31 PM)SuperBowlBound! Wrote: I think you meant Daniel's spotrac projection is 4yr/$31m ($7.3m/yr)

I would be satisfied with Corbett (RG) and Tomlinson (LG). Would want a RT and Center if possible.

(02-13-2022, 10:48 AM)SuperBowlBound! Wrote: You only get 10 spots on your team for lineman before you start trying to hide draft picks on the practice squad.

Possible 2022 Roster:
• Tre Hopkins (C, G)
• Riley Reiff (RT, G)
• Quinton Spain (LG)
• Jonah Williams (LT)
• Jackson Carmen (RG)
• D'Ante Smith (LT)
• Isiah Prince (RT)
• Terron Armstead (LT) Signed Free Agent
• Tyler Linderbaum © 32nd pick
Keep current player or draft a tackle project

Starting Lineup could be
Armstead (LT), Spain (LG), Linderbaum ©, Reiff (RG), Williams (RT)

That should fix the line for a few years.

(02-19-2022, 08:07 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Armstead might be the move to make. I would've originally thought the LT would be too expensive and we could get two other lineman instead. But if Jonah goes to RT and we can keep Reiff for a yr then I think we could go Linderbaum or Zion Johnson. Johnson played some center at the senior bowl I guess so he would have added depth on top of guard.

(02-18-2022, 02:27 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Dennis Roland played next to Bobbie Williams.
Nate Livings played next to Andrew Whitworth.
Cedric Ogbuehi played next to Kevin Zeitler.

They were all still three problems. They need to add 4 upgrades on the OL. One guy gets you nowhere other than 2020 and 2021 all over again.

I don't think anyone is arguing for a bunch of C+ guys, are they? Because I haven't seen anyone mention getting a bunch of XSFs.

(02-20-2022, 12:35 AM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: I was just looking at the top available lineman in FA and I'm not overly impressed with the top lineman available. Scherff's rating is only a 73 overall. It doesn't seem like there is an elite offensive lineman available, but a lot of above average/solid lineman to choose from. This makes a strong argument for a strategy of upgrading multiple spots.

What do you think of G Laken Tomlinson from San Fran? PFF says he should get around 9 mil per year on the market. I'd like to get a guard and RT in free agency. Tomlinson and Trent Brown (RT, Pats) have the top two PFF scores for available offensive lineman.

Edit:

To respond to your post more directly: If we had a line with Whit, Zeitler, and even our current starting center, I'd like our chances of being able to fix the other two spots with up and coming young players/recent draft picks. If you have a couple solid pros on the line, and mix in a couple young and promising players, they can learn from the solid pros and the line overall can be quite good.

If we had Jonah Williams, Laken Tomlinson, and Trent Brown, I'd feel a lot better about how the rest of the line will fill out with the options of young (recent) draft picks and even possibly lesser free agents like Spain.

(02-20-2022, 01:30 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: There's a bunch of young quality starters among the IOL. The OT market is old outside of Orlando Brown Jr who I doubt the Chiefs let leave after the picks they gave up for him, but this is a great year to snag some starting IOL.

Tomlinson is an interesting choice. He's solid, and he's durable, but I don't think he'd be anywhere near my top choice. Heading into his age 30 season I don't think I like his upside as much as James Daniels, Austin Corbett, Alex Cappa, and Connor Williams. I think he might be just a more expensive option to Ted Karras or Mark Glowinski without a significant increase in results.

I want absolutely nothing to do with Trent Brown. He's missed 24 games the last 3 years including at least 5 in each. That's how you have Isaiah Prince back as starting RT. Same reason I want nothing to do with Armstead or Scherff either. If a guy can't stay healthy, he's not worth it.

Why try to make yourself feel better about a bad OL? Why not just fix it and make it a good OL? The team was just in the Super Bowl. Now isn't a time to sit and settle. It's time to push and go win one in 2022.

(02-20-2022, 01:41 AM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Alex Cappa is a good option as well. PFF overall rating 74.2 and 3 years younger than Tomlinson. Only one penalty all season, but he did give up 5 sacks. 

James Daniels had 9 penalties and 3 sacks given up, a 71 rating. Maybe he improves? 
Austin Corbett with 2 penalties and 3 sacks, 68 overall rating.
Connor Williams 15 penalties and 1 sack given up, 76.1 rating.

All of these guards seem like decent options. Are you thinking we need two new starters or one? Maybe we sign two of these guards and draft a RT?

The injury history is the only concern of mine with Brown. With how often our FAs get hurt, it's a legit concern. But are there any other options at RT? Reiff maybe? I think it'd be nice to get a quality RT in the draft, but who knows if the right one will fall to us. 

(02-13-2022, 12:51 PM)SuperBowlBound! Wrote: We just cant afford to sign too many free agents and still keep our free agents like Spain, Uzomah, Ogunjobi and Bates.
I don't think Reiff will cost as much as a top line FA. I think we will keep Tre Hopkins to avoid dead cap space.
We will need to trust Frank Pollack and his opinion of the long term success will be for Trey Hill, Jackson Carmen, Isiah Prince and Hakeem Adenji are. If he feels like they will develop into starting lineman we may save cap space.

(02-20-2022, 01:51 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Jonah Williams is our LT and should remain there. Dude is one of the better in the NFL and will start to get recognized as the Bengals do.

THAT'S IT,,Every other position should be up for grabs

(02-17-2022, 11:43 PM)puddycat Wrote: LT: Jonah Williams, Body
LG: Body, Body
OC: Tyler Linderbaum (2021#31 and 2022 Rd 1 pick), Ben Jones(FA)
RG: Ben Jones(FA), Body
RT: Morgan Moses(FA), Body

Bodies: FAs Quenton Spain, Oday Aboushi(FA), Adeniji, Prince, F Johnson, Carman Jackson, Trey Hill, draft pick

(02-18-2022, 09:27 AM)SuperBowlBound! Wrote: I agree Carmen has to emerge but we cannot go into camp this year hoping. We have to have proven FA players.
I would really like to keep Hopkins at Center because he has been here so long but I just don't think he is the guy.
Whoever we draft at 31 oor trade up to 10 will be no better than Jonah Williams his first couple of years.
Again, we cannot take that chance either. I would rather not sign Bates keep Ricardo Allen and draft another safety.
The OL has to be fixed going into camp. Maybe a solid FA line line will help the younger guys develop.

(02-20-2022, 02:48 AM)casear2727 Wrote: You want to risk 2022 AND 2023 #1 picks on a rookie center whose knock is that he is undersized?  He's only 290.  And you want to add the oldest Center as his back up but also play him at RG which he hasnt played since 2014...?

You are a risky GM brother....