(03-21-2016, 01:53 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Can we please get past the high school mentality of "starting running back"..... we have two, the spit carries based on the what the defenses weaknesses are.... simple as that.

(03-21-2016, 01:26 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: So you're saying what you're proposing for Hill's phantom injury is that he had a 9.5 month lingering unreported injury?

Now YOU are the one who needs to read what you just typed. 9.5 months (2014 playoff game to Week 7 in 2015 because of the mention of the 6 week hitch thing) of lingering injury that goes unreported on the injury report and continues to effect another 2+ months at least? That's not a lingering injury, that'd be being hurt for almost an entire calendar year. There's no way that doesn't get reported.

Terrell Suggs returned from a torn achilles in 5 months.
Adrian Peterson tore his ACL and returned in 8.5 months to rush for just shy of 2,100 yards and win an MVP.

Yet Jeremy Hill's theoretical lingering non-reported injury took like 11.5 months in order for him to finally get a rush of 20+ yards? Thin. Real thin.



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No problem with the Gio stats. Bugs me every time people bring that up. Gio is basically a Ray Rice clone, sans the wife beating, and nobody claimed Ray Rice couldn't run between the tackles.

(03-21-2016, 02:44 PM)spazz70 Wrote: Yes...have you ever even played sports?  Something as simple as a blister or a broken toe nail or plantar fascitis can hamper your play drastically but not get you sidelined by the medical staff...All of these can linger for a long time...Plantar problems sometimes never fully heal....I BELIEVE when I HEAR from the VOICE OF THE BENGALS, DAVE LAPHAM that Hill had a lingering injury form the playoff game the year before then I take that word over you believing that it is just not possible..i do not think he would lie about it...Do you?

(03-21-2016, 09:34 AM)Au165 Wrote: If you start Hill then you need to let him get more carries and get into a rhythm. Pulling guys out every other series doesn't let anyone get in a rhythm, Hill seems like the kind of guy who gains steam as he gets more carries.

(03-21-2016, 04:04 PM)Crowe Wrote: i agree and while he had a down year it's not unrealistic to think he'll bounce back and have a solid 3rd season. Gio isn't a back who should see 20-25 carries a game, however he should get between 10-15 carries and like 4-6 passes a game and I believe that's where he'll be most effective.

(03-21-2016, 04:31 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Why do people continue to say things like this? Where is the evidence that Gio can't be a guy that gets 20-25 carries a game? Is it because hes shorter than Hill? Because hes smaller in stature?

I just dont get it. Gio has never really had any injury issues and has shown no signs of slowing down as the game/season wears on. 

Im still for both Hill and Gio splitting carries, but we need to stop looking at Gio like hes someone that cant carry the load if hes called upon.

(03-21-2016, 04:31 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Why do people continue to say things like this? Where is the evidence that Gio can't be a guy that gets 20-25 carries a game? Is it because hes shorter than Hill? Because hes smaller in stature?

I just dont get it. Gio has never really had any injury issues and has shown no signs of slowing down as the game/season wears on. 

Im still for both Hill and Gio splitting carries, but we need to stop looking at Gio like hes someone that cant carry the load if hes called upon.

(03-21-2016, 03:57 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: So your theory is now that Jeremy Hill had a 12 month blister or broken toe nail that not a single person ever mentioned, and that's why he sucked in 2015. If he had 12 months of plantar fascitis, he would have most certainly been put on the injury report. It would have been a conversation point. I'm not seeing how a 12 month unreported blister is a more plausible theory than the fact that Hill's 9 game stretch was the stars aligning and the other 25 games of his career are much closer to the real Hill.

I'm pretty positive I also heard Dave Lapham once tell everyone that Margus Hunt was poised for a monster breakout season. Just saying, the "voice of the Bengals" can be wrong and has been wrong before, regardless of how many words you capitalize in that sentence.

(03-21-2016, 05:02 PM)spazz70 Wrote: You are just impossible some time...Do really not see the difference between a guy limping and the potential of a player?  The guy limping should be quite obvious,, The guy with potential is a hunch or a guess from what you observe.  One is definite...the other is not....If a guy has a limp..He has a limp...There is no dispute....  Also, Dalton broke his thumb...Did the Bengals tell you he would not start for the rest of the playoffs before the playoffs began or did you learn afterwards?  You just mentioned earlier that the Bengals do not jack around with the injury report like the Pats but I am pretty sure they did with that...So there is another one of your theories blown out the door.

Jeremy Hill is the real deal and will bounce back 

(03-21-2016, 10:47 AM)spazz70 Wrote: Hill was injured..Ask Lapham...he saw a hitch in his giddy for at least the first 6 games...he talked about it on the radio constantly...He observed it with his own eyes...They may not have reported him injured but he was most definitely was..Most likely a carry over form the playoff game the previous year.

(03-21-2016, 05:37 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: I could have sworn Hill practically bent his knee in half early on this season, maybe it was the KC game... Obviously it wasn't a major knee injury but I'm sure something lingered because he didn't look the same since.

(03-21-2016, 04:31 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Why do people continue to say things like this? Where is the evidence that Gio can't be a guy that gets 20-25 carries a game? Is it because hes shorter than Hill? Because hes smaller in stature?

I just dont get it. Gio has never really had any injury issues and has shown no signs of slowing down as the game/season wears on. 

Im still for both Hill and Gio splitting carries, but we need to stop looking at Gio like hes someone that cant carry the load if hes called upon.

(03-21-2016, 05:42 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Don't encourage his conspiracy theory with more false info.

Hill prior to the KC game:
41 carries, 123 yards (3.00 YPC)

Hill after the KC game:
173 carries, 631 yards (3.65 YPC)

(03-21-2016, 12:14 PM)spazz70 Wrote: Ok..check out the numbers Leonard listed then...trust your eyes all you want...the facts have spoken....These are not stats that have variances...He did or he didn't...plain and simple

(03-21-2016, 05:28 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: The Bengals never once said Dalton would be back, they only hoped he'd be back in time for the divisional game. How is that jacking around with the injury report? Dude got injured, they listed the injury and said they didn't have an exact timeline for his return. That's the exact opposite of jacking around with the injury report.

"playoff return possible"
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/cincinnati-begals-no-surgery-for-andy-dalton-playoff-return-possible-121415

"return for playoffs hopeful"
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000601513/article/dalton-wont-have-surgery-return-for-playoffs-hopeful

Never got to learn if he could play in the Divisional round because they didn't make it so he didn't get the chance to cut off the cast early and try.

Now compare that to your theory that Hill was hurt for 12 months and not once had it listed on the injury report. The simple fact that we all know that Dalton had a broken thumb and many articles were written about it makes it completely different than a theoretical secret phantom year-long injury conspiracy.

(03-21-2016, 05:28 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Except I personally didn't see him limping out there on the field. I saw him slow and unaggressive, but not limping. You can Google it up and most likely find zero articles about him visibly limping on the field in 2015. Why? Because if a player is visibly hurt like you're claiming, and the team doesn't report it on the injury report, the NFL goes after them with fines and penalties. Case and point, the roughly billion words on the internet written about Andrew Luck's ribs.