(12-23-2021, 03:43 PM)Tlawsonmariat82 Wrote: I don't have anything against zac I wish him all the success in the world obviously;but just stating facts here with his lack of a resume and his horrible first 2 seasons he's lucky he kept his job...The lions fired Jim Caldwell after making the playoffs in all 3 seasons, I've seen coaches canned for far less..I  personally think we made the right decision to keep him on,but zac the play caller should be over IMO..

(12-23-2021, 05:55 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Cannot disagree with any of this, great post. Made me feel better about keeping Zac and Lou around even if we don't make the
Playoffs. It definitely depends on how it goes from here on out though, before the season I said if Zac can't make the Playoffs and
win a game we need to move on, put up or shut up time. Still feel the same, but I do feel better about keeping him around now 
cause of the things you mentioned along with the added assistant coaches in Pollack, Hobby, Golden and Walters who have been
very good.

(12-23-2021, 02:43 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Kevin Hardy got a big chunk of change, but disappointed. Duane Clemons. Kim Herring. A few others. He mainly reshaped the defense completely and left the offense alone because most of the pieces were already in place.

(12-23-2021, 07:13 PM)Wyche Wrote: I said if they won 9 or more games, I'd be ok....welp, we're almost there.

(12-23-2021, 07:28 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't like threads like this that are designed to get fans fighting amongst themselves.

If I defend Marvin then it seems like I am attacking Zac.

You simply can not compare the two because Taylor is getting hundreds of millions of dollars worth of top end free agents.  There is no way to tell what Marvin could have done with that type of support.

(12-23-2021, 06:51 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Marvin wouldn't have survived 2010 on 95% of NFL teams.

(12-23-2021, 07:28 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't like threads like this that are designed to get fans fighting amongst themselves.

If I defend Marvin then it seems like I am attacking Zac.

You simply can not compare the two because Taylor is getting hundreds of millions of dollars worth of top end free agents. There is no way to tell what Marvin could have done with that type of support.

(12-23-2021, 06:51 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Marvin wouldn't have survived 2010 on 95% of NFL teams.

(12-23-2021, 09:04 PM)jason Wrote: Maybe not 95%, but Zac doesn't survive after 2020 for a large portion of NFL teams. I know off the field played a role, but Urban Meyer was just shown the door after already equaling Zac's first year win total (which in Jacksonville's case was an improvement). Meyer was brought in specifically to build a roster too. At any rate; it's hard to survive 3 wins per in your first two NFL seasons.

(12-23-2021, 09:07 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Meyer is different though, nobody liked him lol

No doubt Taylor's first 2 seasons were terrible, this was the make or break year. We will see how him and his team end it.

(12-23-2021, 11:38 PM)Destro Wrote: Marvin in 2 rounds.

(12-23-2021, 09:20 PM)jason Wrote: Oh he's already made it his make year. There's no way in hell I see them firing him. All we can do is get behind the guy, and hope they pull something off this year... And in the years to come.

(12-23-2021, 10:30 AM)dr tarzan Wrote: The biggest diff between Marv and Zac......Zac can beat the Stealers.....I don't care if we go 2-14 as long as both wins are against that Franchise....something I've said since the Steal Curtain days.

(12-24-2021, 06:46 AM)Waite Hoyt Wrote: The biggest difference between Marv and Zac is Marv had Andy Dalton to build around and Zac has Burrow.

(12-24-2021, 06:54 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Marvin also had his own Heisman winning - #1OA QB before Dalton.

(12-24-2021, 08:16 AM)Interceptor Wrote: I will say this: Marv coached during a tougher time - when the NFL officiating turned a blind eye to all the shit the Steelers were pulling. Nobody could or would do anything about it no matter how flagrant the fouls the Steelers committed or how loud anybody complained.

(12-23-2021, 08:53 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I was asking if we should credit Zac with reshaping the roster like we did with Marvin, and if that is enough to excuse keeping him around even if we go 0-3 at the end.