Dan orlovosky is right about zac!

[sandwedge]

(10-23-2024, 02:45 PM)740Bengal Wrote: I don't give a sh%# he was carried by players, he was awful in game coaching during that super bowl run. 

Nice try, but not even close to the truth.

[sandwedge]

(10-23-2024, 04:59 PM)Tlawsonmariat82 Wrote: and they also played in a far more difficult era with teams that was far more superior to the teams you see now..big bens steelers, mannings colts, bradys pats, yeah bet you zac wouldn't make the playoffs in that era let alone win a playoff game..

LMAO, just so totally pulled that out of your ass. I think you have that backwards, they were the 3 dominate teams. now there are a few more good teams with good QBS...

[SunsetBengal]

(10-23-2024, 04:47 PM)Nepa Wrote: Not only that, but the team went OVER 30 YEARS without a single playoff win.  The Bengals had Carson Palmer and a slew of excellent players and couldn't even get a single playoff win. Zac Taylor has his shortcomings, but for the first time in three decades we have a winning culture and team.

Sure, it's fun to point back at the Marvin days and say "but he never won a playoff game in 7 opportunities", however his starting QB was injured for the 2 best opportunities that he had. I know that it's dangerous to play the "what if" game, but if Palmer hadn't gotten injured, where would the Bengals have ended up that year?  If Andy doesn't go down with the thumb injury leading up to the 2015 playoffs, I felt confident that that team was destined for the big game. That 2015 defense was freaking awesome!

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(10-23-2024, 05:59 PM)sandwedge Wrote: Nice try, but not even close to the truth.

Honestly, I used to think that until last season when Burrow went down, and we had a shitty Defense and somehow with a backup QB 
in Jake Browning the Bengals and Zac damn near made the Playoffs. That is when the Zac is carried by his players thought became a 
myth to me.

(10-23-2024, 06:07 PM)sandwedge Wrote: LMAO, just so totally pulled that out of your ass. I think you have that backwards, they were the 3 dominate teams. now there are a few more good teams with good QBS...

Yes, lots of teams could win it now. Sure, the Chiefs once again are the front runners and about the only team that has proven they 
can beat them is actually the Zac Taylor lead Bengals lol

[*bfine32*]

I never thought Bengal fans would be spoiled by success. Zac has led us to 3 straight winning seasons, 1 ended in a SuperBowl, one ended in an AFC Championship game, and 1 ended with a winning record, 1 game out of the playoffs, playing with a hobbeled Burrow and then a backup.

About every fanbase but 6 would love to have Zac as their HC, but there's those around here who want "better".

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-23-2024, 04:57 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Nate; I agree with you. There are several really good things with our offense:

1) We have a Peyton Manning type as QB
2) We have two premier WRs
3) We have a good O-Line 
4) We match up well with Chiefs, Bills and Ravens.

But we have to keep our talent, and add talent at RB and TE position. The revolving door at TE is getting just silly, and a semi-capable running game would have closed out the Chiefs and Ravens game and we would be sitting at 5-2.  

 

Actually not really at all on the Ravens. The Zac Bengals are 1-8 against the Ravens when Lamar Jackson plays. 
In games where both Joe and Lamar are the starters we're 1-5.

The Zac Bengals are 3-0 (all Burrow starts) against the Josh Johnson, Anthony Brown, Tyler Huntley Ravens.

[XsandOs]

(10-23-2024, 06:57 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Sure, it's fun to point back at the Marvin days and say "but he never won a playoff game in 7 opportunities", however his starting QB was injured for the 2 best opportunities that he had. I know that it's dangerous to play the "what if" game, but if Palmer hadn't gotten injured, where would the Bengals have ended up that year?  If Andy doesn't go down with the thumb injury leading up to the 2015 playoffs, I felt confident that that team was destined for the big game. That 2015 defense was freaking awesome!

Sunset, you are aggravating deep wounds here my friend. 

I still believe there was only one Team standing in our way to SB in 2005, the Colts. Carson was going to bomb the hell out of Steelers that day, and they knew it. We had just beaten them in Pittsburgh 4 weeks earlier, dropping 38 points on them.

And yes, 2015 was the year we had built up for. That Team started at 8-0 and was the most complete group of Marvin era. Then the thumb injury......

[ERIC1]

(10-23-2024, 06:57 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Sure, it's fun to point back at the Marvin days and say "but he never won a playoff game in 7 opportunities", however his starting QB was injured for the 2 best opportunities that he had. I know that it's dangerous to play the "what if" game, but if Palmer hadn't gotten injured, where would the Bengals have ended up that year?  If Andy doesn't go down with the thumb injury leading up to the 2015 playoffs, I felt confident that that team was destined for the big game. That 2015 defense was freaking awesome!

IF  IF  IF..  Lewis had 16 years and did not win a single playoff game..not one

[SunsetBengal]

(10-23-2024, 06:57 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Sure, it's fun to point back at the Marvin days and say "but he never won a playoff game in 7 opportunities", however his starting QB was injured for the 2 best opportunities that he had. I know that it's dangerous to play the "what if" game, but if Palmer hadn't gotten injured, where would the Bengals have ended up that year?  If Andy doesn't go down with the thumb injury leading up to the 2015 playoffs, I felt confident that that team was destined for the big game. That 2015 defense was freaking awesome!

(10-23-2024, 07:31 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: IF  IF  IF..  Lewis had 16 years and did not win a single playoff game..not one

Obviously you glossed over the line that I bolded for you, this time. However, I still don't feel like it was all Lewis' fault that the teams never won any of those 7 opportunities. I highlighted the two best examples for you, but it you want to continue to focus only on the negative parts, that's on you.

[XsandOs]

(10-23-2024, 07:10 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Actually not really at all on the Ravens. The Zac Bengals are 1-8 against the Ravens when Lamar Jackson plays. 
In games where both Joe and Lamar are the starters we're 1-5.

The Zac Bengals are 3-0 (all Burrow starts) against the Josh Johnson, Anthony Brown, Tyler Huntley Ravens.

I understand your thoughts. But as a matter of completeness, please consider the following:

1) Setting aside the one rookie year game, 3 of the 4 losses were by 2, 3 and 3 points. 
2) The 4th game margin was 14 points, but that is the game where Burrow injured his wrist, in which we were leading 10-7.
3) When Burrow beat Jackson in '21, he blew them out 41-17.

But this is 2024 - new year, new players, etc. The last game with them, a missed FG and the loss by 3.

I hear you and feel what you are saying, but I feel we match up well against them, similar to the Bills and Chiefs. 

[SunsetBengal]

(10-23-2024, 07:53 PM)XsandOs Wrote: I understand your thoughts. But as a matter of completeness, please consider the following:

1) Setting aside the one rookie year game, 3 of the 4 losses were by 2, 3 and 3 points. 
2) The 4th game margin was 14 points, but that is the game where Burrow injured his wrist, in which we were leading 10-7.
3) When Burrow beat Jackson in '21, he blew them out 41-17.

But this is 2024 - new year, new players, etc. The last game with them, a missed FG and the loss by 3.

I hear you and feel what you are saying, but I feel we match up well against them, similar to the Bills and Chiefs. 

Basically, we need to equip Joe with the quality of OL and Defense that we had Andy and Carson in 2015 and 2005 respectively.

[XsandOs]

(10-23-2024, 08:08 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Basically, we need to equip Joe with the quality of OL and Defense that we had Andy and Carson in 2015 and 2005 respectively.

That 2015 defense was something else. 23.5 sacks from Dunlap and Atkins.

The '05 defense had 15 interceptions between O'Neal and I forgot who the safety was (Nelson?). Come Fly With Deltha, was the Broncos battlecry.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-23-2024, 07:09 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Honestly, I used to think that until last season when Burrow went down, and we had a shitty Defense and somehow with a backup QB 
in Jake Browning the Bengals and Zac damn near made the Playoffs. That is when the Zac is carried by his players thought became a 
myth to me.

That run with Browning was fools gold. We didn’t beat a single playoff team once Burrow went down.

*not counting the Browns who were resting their starters

[sandwedge]

(10-23-2024, 09:27 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That run with Browning was fools gold. We didn’t beat a single playoff team once Burrow went down.

*not counting the Browns who were resting their starters

So we beat team we should have beaten, and that's a bad thing?

[Soonerpeace]

(10-23-2024, 09:27 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That run with Browning was fools gold. We didn’t beat a single playoff team once Burrow went down.

*not counting the Browns who were resting their starters

Ask Mike McDaniel about life with a backup 

[SunsetBengal]

(10-23-2024, 09:27 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That run with Browning was fools gold. We didn’t beat a single playoff team once Burrow went down.

*not counting the Browns who were resting their starters

That's easy to say in retrospect, but at the moment, most of those games were meaningful. I wouldn't call the backup QB keeping the team afloat "fools gold", far from it as Browning was thought to be an incompetent unknown when he was forced into the starting role.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-23-2024, 07:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: About every fanbase but 6 would love to have Zac as their HC, but there's those around here who want "better".

It’s probably closer to 6 fanbases that would actually want Taylor over their current HC, imo.

Chiefs- no
Raiders - yes
Chargers - no
Broncos - no
Ravens - no
Steelers - no
Browns - no
Bills - no
Dolphins - no
Jets - yes
Patriots - yes
Texans - no
Jaguars - no
Colts - yes
Titans - yes
Cowboys - no
Eagles - maybe
Giants - no
Commanders - no
9ers - no
Rams - no
Seahawks - no
Cardinals - yes
Lions - no
Packers - no
Vikings - no
Bears - no
Buccaneers - no
Saints - yes
Falcons - yes
Panthers - yes

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-23-2024, 09:32 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Ask Mike McDaniel about life with a backup 

Can I ask Doug Pederson instead?

[SunsetBengal]

(10-23-2024, 09:41 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: It’s probably closer to 6 fanbases that would actually want Taylor over their current HC, imo.

Chiefs- no
Raiders - yes
Chargers - no
Broncos - no
Ravens - no
Steelers - no
Browns - no Are you sure?
Bills - no
Dolphins - no Are you sure?
Jets - yes
Patriots - yes
Texans - no 
Jaguars - no Are you sure?
Colts - yes
Titans - yes
Cowboys - no Are you sure?
Eagles - maybe
Giants - no Are you sure?
Commanders - no
9ers - no
Rams - no
Seahawks - no Are you sure?
Cardinals - yes
Lions - no
Packers - no
Vikings - no
Bears - no
Buccaneers - no
Saints - no Are you sure?
Falcons - yes
Panthers - yes

My questions in bold.

[XsandOs]

(10-23-2024, 09:45 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Can I ask Doug Pederson instead?

His Jags are such a disappointment this year. They could very well be 2-10 five weeks from now. The mid-season collapse from last year continues, I guess.

He was brought in to develop Lawrence....

I bet Jags fans would take Zac over Pederson.