Shout out for Zac Taylor

[Soonerpeace]

(Yesterday, 11:01 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I'm going to have to go back and re-watch the Patriots game. First game of the season, and the offense only scores 10 points. Put up 25 the next week against KC and 33 the following week against Washington. Was Joe not trusting the wrist in that first game? I don't really remember what the major malfunction was, the defense held them to 16.

Good points but the Pats were the first game. We lost 7 more. I know the defense had issues. But the slow starts are huge issue. Cost us the playoffs 2 years in a row. Zac can’t count on the rally at the end mantra. Injuries can derail that. The games early need more focus and attention. 

[*Synric*]

(Yesterday, 11:01 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I'm going to have to go back and re-watch the Patriots game. First game of the season, and the offense only scores 10 points. Put up 25 the next week against KC and 33 the following week against Washington. Was Joe not trusting the wrist in that first game? I don't really remember what the major malfunction was, the defense held them to 16.

Tee Higgins was going to be a major part of the game plan week one because Chase had set out. Tee ended up injured on I think a Thursday that week and even though Ja'Marr Chase was playing Joe wasn't really looking his way like he usually does. It didn't help Alex Cappa had his first of many rough games this season vs Patriots Keion White.

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 01:24 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Good points but the Pats were the first game. We lost 7 more. I know the defense had issues. But the slow starts are huge issue. Cost us the playoffs 2 years in a row. Zac can’t count on the rally at the end mantra. Injuries can derail that. The games early need more focus and attention. 

Yeah, I realize that. The first game is the only glaring lack of offensive points though, which is why I was wondering. Like I said, I really do not remember the details from that game.

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 11:48 AM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: The problem with Joe appeared to really be the same as it was for the last three seasons. The first 2 we accounted to injuries. But he struggles to trust the process and read the defense. He takes way too many checkdowns, gives up on routes and drops his eyes way too early, once he drops his eyes and starts too scramble he doesn't get his head back up. Burrow super power is reading the defense and get the ball out accurately. But another one is his trust of the process as when he gets pressure trust that the lineman will continue to work and he can evade and keep his eyes down field. 
Outside of more preseason work as we never no about injuries as something may occur that makes that impossible. I think we need to make the run game a priority and come up with more schemes plays those first couple of weeks. I think Zac comes up with good route concepts but beyond that it's on Burrow to make the plays and it works well when he is himself but we need to lessen the pressure on him early. 

I think now that Zac has trust in Chase Brown, we will see more games involving more of the run.

[Soonerpeace]

(10 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: Yeah, I realize that. The first game is the only glaring lack of offensive points though, which is why I was wondering. Like I said, I really do not remember the details from that game.

I don’t really give 2 ______ whether it’s injuries or what. Zac’s record in September is pathetic. And it’s plenty body of work. If we would have snuck in the playoffs the last 2 years he’d have plenty less scrutiny. 

[Sled21]

(10 hours ago)Soonerpeace Wrote: I don’t really give 2 ______ whether it’s injuries or what. Zac’s record in September is pathetic. And it’s plenty body of work. If we would have snuck in the playoffs the last 2 years he’d have plenty less scrutiny. 

No one is arguing that, I was just reflecting on one particular game.... 

[Soonerpeace]

(9 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: No one is arguing that, I was just reflecting on one particular game.... 

Sure but it’s in that framework and related. Joe was healthy enough to win 

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(01-11-2025, 02:29 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: It kind of goes without saying that a better Oline opens up an avenue for some of the things they don't do very often. If i'm a QB and i'm under center, running a PA and i turn around to instantly feel defenders on me, i'm not gonna want to do that too much.

Right ....so it seems they're coaching to strengths, and doing things to mitigate weaknesses, no?

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(Yesterday, 11:33 AM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I agree with this take. In a season where 1 more win gets us into the playoffs the defense did enough to win and the offense failed more than a few times. The only reason i see moving on from Lou is he seems to really struggle to change his scheme to match his personnel. We waited way too long to simplify his scheme with the defensive struggles this year. The defense was horrendous for the first half + of the season and the quick firing makes me wonder if they hadn't just made they're mind up and not taking the end of the season into account. Although it was against lesser competition. 

Wait a minute..... didn't the Bengals set a record for most games lost when the offense scored 30+? How is THAT on the offense?

[reuben.ahmed]

Bengals were 6th int he league in points per game (27.8).

The five teams above them made the playoffs.
And the 4 teams below them.

So they were the only team in the top 10 in points per game to miss the playoffs, Lou was justifiably fired.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(8 hours ago)reuben.ahmed Wrote: Bengals were 6th int he league in points per game (27.8).

The five teams above them made the playoffs.
And the 4 teams below them.

So they were the only team in the top 10 in points per game to miss the playoffs, Lou was justifiably fired.

Absolutely. 

[NUGDUKWE]

(8 hours ago)Wyche Wrote: Wait a minute..... didn't the Bengals set a record for most games lost when the offense scored 30+? How is THAT on the offense?

True. I'm not saying the defense wasn't the reason we didn't make the playoffs and that I don't think we needed to move on from Lou. I'm just saying that while the defense really really struggled at times they still did enough to win or gave the offense to win and we failed.
1: New England we only allowed 16pts so I think we put that on the offense.
2:KC we lost 25-26 with a fumble for a score and still made kc punt up 2 giving the offense a chance to drive and end it.
3:1st Ravens game lost in overtime as we all know and while the defense couldn't stop anything in the 2nd half they got the turnover in OT giving a chance to win. 
4: Chargers a game that we really needed to win. The defense forced three punts later in the 2nd half with the game tied. 
So the defense was a huge issue but the offense failed in big situations in tight games this season. This was called out at times by people that cover the Bengals during the season. 

[Soonerpeace]

(7 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: True. I'm not saying the defense wasn't the reason we didn't make the playoffs and that I don't think we needed to move on from Lou. I'm just saying that while the defense really really struggled at times they still did enough to win or gave the offense to win and we failed.
1: New England we only allowed 16pts so I think we put that on the offense.
2:KC we lost 25-26 with a fumble for a score and still made kc punt up 2 giving the offense a chance to drive and end it.
3:1st Ravens game lost in overtime as we all know and while the defense couldn't stop anything in the 2nd half they got the turnover in OT giving a chance to win. 
4: Chargers a game that we really needed to win. The defense forced three punts later in the 2nd half with the game tied. 
So the defense was a huge issue but the offense failed in big situations in tight games this season. This was called out at times by people that cover the Bengals during the season. 

You can pick plays back and forth that effected games by the offense or defense. The people who cover the Bengals aren’t doing their homework. The Bengals averaged more points in the fourth quarter than any year under Zac. The offense was not the problem this year. Plain and simple. We were 6th in scoring offense and 25th in scoring defense.

[NUGDUKWE]

(5 hours ago)Soonerpeace Wrote: You can pick plays back and forth that effected games by the offense or defense. The people who cover the Bengals aren’t doing their homework. The Bengals averaged more points in the fourth quarter than any year under Zac. The offense was not the problem this year. Plain and simple. We were 6th in scoring offense and 25th in scoring defense.

I did say in the beginning of the post that the defense was the reason we didn't make the playoffs. The offense was amazing but that doesn't mean there aren't still areas of concern that we need to improve. Two of the worst guards in the NFL according to PFF apparently. The people who covering them are doing they're homework between watching every game and going thru the tape of every game alot more work than game commentators. 

One point to make on the offense is that I've noticed in the past when a teams offense is terrible they're defense might show better statistically because teams don't need to score against them. The same can be said about an offense with a bad defense. Not saying that are defense being terrible made our offense appear good but it does help if even marginally statistically. But my original point was when the offense had to score with a chance to win late in games in tight matchups I believe we failed more than we succeeded. 

[Soonerpeace]

(5 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I did say in the beginning of the post that the defense was the reason we didn't make the playoffs. The offense was amazing but that doesn't mean there aren't still areas of concern that we need to improve. Two of the worst guards in the NFL according to PFF apparently. The people who covering them are doing they're homework between watching every game and going thru the tape of every game alot more work than game commentators. 

One point to make on the offense is that I've noticed in the past when a teams offense is terrible they're defense might show better statistically because teams don't need to score against them. The same can be said about an offense with a bad defense. Not saying that are defense being terrible made our offense appear good but it does help if even marginally statistically. But my original point was when the offense had to score with a chance to win late in games in tight matchups I believe we failed more than we succeeded. 

Well the defense failed against NE. They ran the ball easily and killed clock at the end of the game. But 10 points is 10 points. Against Washington they were the cause not the offense. They took a 38-26 lead mid 4th . KC drove and kicked a FG. Our 25 points 3rd most scored all year on them. Ravens Money Mac missed the game winning FG. In our discussions you often make comments but not often examples. Your quote “ But my original point was when the offense had to score with a chance to win late in games in tight matchups I believe we failed more than we succeeded. ” Which times? I do agree about the guards

[NUGDUKWE]

(3 hours ago)Soonerpeace Wrote: Well the defense failed against NE. They ran the ball easily and killed clock at the end of the game. But 10 points is 10 points. Against Washington they were the cause not the offense. They took a 38-26 lead mid 4th . KC drove and kicked a FG. Our 25 points 3rd most scored all year on them. Ravens Money Mac missed the game winning FG. In our discussions you often make comments but not often examples. Your quote “  But my original point was when the offense had to score with a chance to win late in games in tight matchups I believe we failed more than we succeeded. ” Which times? I do agree about the guards

Well i mentioned the 4 games I was referring to in the 1st post you responded to but they are NE,KC 1st Ravens and Chargers games.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(7 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: True. I'm not saying the defense wasn't the reason we didn't make the playoffs and that I don't think we needed to move on from Lou. I'm just saying that while the defense really really struggled at times they still did enough to win or gave the offense to win and we failed.
1: New England we only allowed 16pts so I think we put that on the offense.
2:KC we lost 25-26 with a fumble for a score and still made kc punt up 2 giving the offense a chance to drive and end it.
3:1st Ravens game lost in overtime as we all know and while the defense couldn't stop anything in the 2nd half they got the turnover in OT giving a chance to win. 
4: Chargers a game that we really needed to win. The defense forced three punts later in the 2nd half with the game tied. 
So the defense was a huge issue but the offense failed in big situations in tight games this season. This was called out at times by people that cover the Bengals during the season. 

Ok ... definitely agree with 1, although the D got GASHED, and the fumble in 2 was huge. I put 3 squarely on the high paid kicker. 4 was the only game I didn't watch. Fair enough, but you can't average 27.8 (especially when you only scored 10 in game one) and lose 8 games. The defense just couldn't get off the field or get stops most games.

[NUGDUKWE]

(2 hours ago)Wyche Wrote: Ok ... definitely agree with 1, although the D got GASHED, and the fumble in 2 was huge. I put 3 squarely on the high paid kicker. 4 was the only game I didn't watch. Fair enough, but you can't average 27.8 (especially when you only scored 10 in game one) and lose 8 games. The defense just couldn't get off the field or get stops most games.

I agree. The defense was terrible and probably the worst i personally have seen of the Bengals. I was just pointing out the while awesome the offense isn't without they're own faults and things we need to improve.

[Soonerpeace]

(3 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Well i mentioned the 4 games I was referring to in the 1st post you responded to but they are NE,KC 1st Ravens and Chargers games.

But that was not the case in several of those. Go look at the play by play. Granted 10 points versus NE is 10 points but NE ran the ball down our throats to end the game. KC we scored the third highest points KC gave up this season. Burrow got sacked on third down we punted to them on their 25 they went down and kicked a FG. The Ravens? Money Mac missed the game winning FG in OT. So can you give me some valid ones?