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[jj22]

(Today, 01:41 AM)bfine32 Wrote: You think so? 

He seems like Plan A to me. 

We might not like Plan A, but there's a chance he's who they've had their eye on since they parted ways w/ Lou. 

Maybe you know some folks who have turned them down 

Not my preferred choice. I guess I'm getting the backup plan feel due to them not having any competition for his services and knowing if he wants to return to the league he won't turn down the opportunity.  

He may have always been Plan A though. You right.

[Nepa]

(Today, 05:10 AM)Synric Wrote: Notre Dame is a "top tier" program but it's probably the hardest to recruit for out of that tier. Notre Dame is an academic school and even the athletes are expected to be real students with real majors not "sports management" like you see at alot of programs like Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State etc. You can't just be good at football to get into schools like Notre Dame and Standford. 

You can't put Notre Dame on the level of Stanford, or even in the same sentence. Stanford has an acceptance rate of 4% and is ranked 4th by US News and World Report. Norte Dame is ranked 18th and has an acceptance rate of 12%. Notre Dame is closer to UCLA (ranked 15th, with an acceptance rate of 9%), Michigan (ranked 21) and Texas (ranked 30th) than it is Stanford. And it benefits from all the Catholic high schools promoting students going there. I don't think "it is probably the hardest to recruit for."

[ERIC1]

(8 hours ago)Nepa Wrote: You can't put Notre Dame on the level of Stanford, or even in the same sentence. Stanford has an acceptance rate of 4% and is ranked 4th by US News and World Report. Norte Dame is ranked 18th and has an acceptance rate of 12%. Notre Dame is closer to UCLA (ranked 15th, with an acceptance rate of 9%), Michigan (ranked 21) and Texas (ranked 30th) than it is Stanford. And it benefits from all the Catholic high schools promoting students going there. I don't think "it is probably the hardest to recruit for."

actually you can ...its  academic standards that must be maintained while playing..and courses that must be taken ( Physics, calculus..etc) ..Notre Dame..Georgia tech Stanford ..Harvard  are the top 4 ....

[*ochocincos*]

(8 hours ago)Nepa Wrote: You can't put Notre Dame on the level of Stanford, or even in the same sentence. Stanford has an acceptance rate of 4% and is ranked 4th by US News and World Report. Norte Dame is ranked 18th and has an acceptance rate of 12%. Notre Dame is closer to UCLA (ranked 15th, with an acceptance rate of 9%), Michigan (ranked 21) and Texas (ranked 30th) than it is Stanford. And it benefits from all the Catholic high schools promoting students going there. I don't think "it is probably the hardest to recruit for."

I don't think many folks in Ohio realize how hard it is to get accepted into U of M and how good of an academic school it is.

[PCB Bengal Fan]

(8 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: I don't think many folks in Ohio realize how hard it is to get accepted into U of M and how good of an academic school it is.

It's not hard if you're good at sports. Also those schools probably fudge the academics #s when it comes to athletics.

[*Synric*]

(8 hours ago)Nepa Wrote: You can't put Notre Dame on the level of Stanford, or even in the same sentence. Stanford has an acceptance rate of 4% and is ranked 4th by US News and World Report. Norte Dame is ranked 18th and has an acceptance rate of 12%. Notre Dame is closer to UCLA (ranked 15th, with an acceptance rate of 9%), Michigan (ranked 21) and Texas (ranked 30th) than it is Stanford. And it benefits from all the Catholic high schools promoting students going there. I don't think "it is probably the hardest to recruit for."

Student Athletes have nothing to do with school acceptance rate. Schools like Notre Dame and Stanford don't just recruit athletes to play sports they have to also pursue higher education. Duke is another but they are known more for Basketball.

[*Synric*]

(8 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: I don't think many folks in Ohio realize how hard it is to get accepted into U of M and how good of an academic school it is.

But they offer their Student Athletes an easy track.

[SunsetBengal]

(7 hours ago)Synric Wrote: Student Athletes have nothing to do with school acceptance rate. Schools like Notre Dame and Stanford don't just recruit athletes to play sports they have to also pursue higher education. Duke is another but they are known more for Basketball.

You never hear of many Jermaine Burtons coming from those schools. 

[*bfine32*]

Everyone praising the football culture at UND may want to watch the documentary The Hunting Ground

[Nepa]

(7 hours ago)Synric Wrote: But they offer their Student Athletes an easy track.

Some of these Notre Dame fans need to read "Under the Tarnished Dome" or the innumerable reports of how Notre Dame lowered its standards for the sake of its athletes. I know many graduates of Notre Dame that are absolutely furious how Notre Dame gives an easy track to their athletes. yes, Notre Dame has many outstanding student-athletes, but so do many top football universities. I know that Notre Dame is very good in promoting themselves, but this myth being promoting in this thread that Notre Dame is one of the top 4 universities in terms of academic standards is just that -- a myth.

[Whatever]

(7 hours ago)Synric Wrote: But they offer their Student Athletes an easy track.

Based on first and second hand info, I tend to believe UM is a lot tougher on their student athletes than OSU is.

My brother in law is a UM grad and knew a couple of football players during his time there and speaks very highly of their intelligence and affluence..  And he knows first hand that one of them took his studies very seriously.  Mind you, it may just be those two individuals, but both had significant NFL careers.  I won't name drop them, but folks would recognize them if I did 

My sis, on the other hand, was a TA at OSU and I've seen first hand the exams of guys that graduated with a bachelor's that write at a grade school level.  And there have been retellings of conversations regarding what grade people needed to get to maintain eligibility. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

I thought every school gives an easy track to athletes, doesn't surprise me. Yoshi might be the exception at Princeton a bit though.

Same with Fitzmagic at Harvard, both these dudes are really smart.

Back to the OP, I think Golden is the most likely now with us waiting and already interviewing Eberflus who is my top choice.

Hope Golden can get this Defense to decent faster than he did the ND Defense if he is the choice.

Maybe we are waiting on Christian Parker the assistant DC of the Eagles though who I would love.

[t3r3e3]

(7 hours ago)Synric Wrote: Student Athletes have nothing to do with school acceptance rate. Schools like Notre Dame and Stanford don't just recruit athletes to play sports they have to also pursue higher education. Duke is another but they are known more for Basketball.

Throwing Duke in there for basketball kills this line of thinking. The Duke basketball team has mastered the one and done recruiting method, and has brought in all sorts of knuckleheads to play ball. Are we calling Corey Maggette a scholar now? Kyrie “the world is flat” Irving? Grayson Allen? C’mon…

Back to the original discussion, Al Golden would be such a lazy, low-effort hire. Literally the antithesis of thinking outside the box. He’s had a small amount of success as DC in college, but no real success in the NFL. He’s not an up and comer either. They can do far better.

[higgy100]

(Today, 01:23 AM)kevin Wrote: One delay could be The Bengals interviewed Patrick Graham, but then Jaguars interviewed him to be their head coach.  Graham is good and was a D Coach in Patriots Super Bowl years and was D Coordinator at Dolphins, Raiders.   Bengals interviewed him for a reason, but Jaguars considering him as their head Coach changes things.  If Jaguars hire a different Head Coach, Graham who Bengals interviewed is back in play.  

Here's one more thing Fans need to know about a slow process in hiring coaches.  Over the decades I've seen many coaches turn down coming to Cincinnati.  Fans think this is the #1 team to be on in football.  I'm not so sure the D Coordinators at Notre Dame or Oregon want to leave and come to Cincinnati and they might be looking for a Head Coaching offer somewhere to leave such top jobs they already have.  

This is why Fans shouldn't look down on the Bears Head Coach fired.  He needs a job, and the man turned the Colts defense around in a few months, so he has proved he is a good D Coordinator.  The big thing is he is out of work and available.  Again, I doubt that Golden wants to leave Notre Dame unless it's a Head Coaching job.   If he is a D Coordinator at Notre Dame, why take the same job in Cincy.  Same goes for the Oregon D Coordinator. 

The Bengals did interview Patrick Graham fast, but Jaguars then interviewed him for a Head Coach job, so that right there slows things down. 

Because you don't have to recruit, go on the road, pamper 17-18 year olds, put up with NIL and, more importantly, not have to deal with a revolving door of players transferring. NFL is a great great job.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(3 hours ago)t3r3e3 Wrote: Throwing Duke in there for basketball kills this line of thinking.  The Duke basketball team has mastered the one and done recruiting method, and has brought in all sorts of knuckleheads to play ball.  Are we calling Corey Maggette a scholar now?  Kyrie “the world is flat” Irving?  Grayson Allen?  C’mon…

Back to the original discussion, Al Golden would be such a lazy, low-effort hire.  Literally the antithesis of thinking outside the box.  He’s had a small amount of success as DC in college, but no real success in the NFL.  He’s not an up and comer either.  They can do far better.

Man, I have disliked Duke forever. 

True on Golden being a lazy hire as well, but this is what us Bengals fans have come to expect. Hope we are surprised.

(2 hours ago)higgy100 Wrote: Because you don't have to recruit, go on the road, pamper 17-18 year olds, put up with NIL and, more importantly, not have to deal with a revolving door of players transferring. NFL is a great great job.

Truth.

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 06:51 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Definitely could be another reason, but if that is the case and we start 0-3 again we could fire Zac and give the new DC his job and 
see what he does. Might be the perfect job to get a shot at HC again if you are a guy like Eberflus.

Man, I must be Nostradamus or something. Less than a week ago I was getting blasted for saying the worst thing about hiring an ex- HC like Eberflus would be the Head Coaching controversy after the first win. Called it....  Season hasn't started and there are already a couple of posts bringing it up.... 

BTW, Mike McCarthy is fired..... Mike Zimmer enters the conversation!

[jj22]

good news is the DC positions haven't started to get filled yet so concerns Zac is struggling to close deals again can be put to rest until we see these positions getting filled elsewhere.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(1 hour ago)Sled21 Wrote: Man, I must be Nostradamus or something. Less than a week ago I was getting blasted for saying the worst thing about hiring an ex- HC like Eberflus would be the Head Coaching controversy after the first win. Called it....  Season hasn't started and there are already a couple of posts bringing it up.... 

BTW, Mike McCarthy is fired..... Mike Zimmer enters the conversation!

You have been Nostradamus before about Zac Sled...