Tobin on his way out?

[*psychdoctor*]

(03-13-2025, 06:28 PM)jj22 Wrote: Someone once posted from local reporter that said that he’d be quickly hired as a GM somewhere if ever let go. I wasn’t sold but they seemed confident.

I don't know why anybody would hire Tobin. He has missed seemingly often on draft prospects and free agents.  Now I will grant it that the scouting department or the Cincinnati Bengals is putrid and it puts a lot on his shoulders to find talent.  

With that said, you could pick several fans that follow the Bengals who are obsessed with free agents and drafting talent and such, and they ostensibly would make better decisions.  And have predicted some of the failures for the Bengals.

[Luvnit2]

If Tobin's prediction of getting Chase under contract is correct, is he no longer on his way out?

[pulses]

(03-14-2025, 09:18 AM)Sled21 Wrote: There are several guard needy teams this year, including KC. Teven Jenkins still being available says he either wants too much, or something else is going on.

If you didn't notice the guard prices are HIGH. Fries got way overpaid and Banks got way overpaid and they both are coming off injuries so who knows.

[pulses]

(03-14-2025, 09:50 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Even with Teven Jenkins added, that improves, what, one spot in FA?
Slaton probably improves one aspect of one spot (run defense), but the pass rush is still the same as it was last year.
LG really isn't improved between Volson and Ford. We're HOPING for serviceable there this year if that's who they go into the season with.

You have to wonder if the Bengals brass felt they really were like a 12-win team if they hadn't have started the season so slow last year, so they decided they didn't really need much improvement aside from 1-2 new FAs and draft picks.

If they really feel that way they're not that damn smart.

[*ochocincos*]

If anything reads someone potentially on their last strike, it feels like Taylor.

This feels like 2018 when Marvin had one last shot to right the ship after back to back underperforming years.
They already had let go of their OC midseason the year prior, and they replaced Guenther with Austin.

A lot was put on Marvin and the staff to actually be able to coach up the players and implement a good scheme, as the FO was not going to toss them a ton of new, expensive FAs.

This feels similar to that.
Taylor gets new positional coaches and DC to try to put up or shut up.
Prove you can coach up the players we're giving you.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-14-2025, 03:01 PM)higgy100 Wrote:  
I think the Brown family will always deflect blame and apply it somewhere else. My gosh,they already have a terrible reputation.In their minds, last year was decades ago and the deals they have/will still offer will be tremendous in their minds but not tremendous when it comes to NFL/ Great player standards.It's a common message that people/organizations take that seem to be playing checkers when everyone else is playing chess.

These 3 great players didn't all of a sudden become great overnight. Yes,they screwed up with Chase last year and he deserves 41 mm or 40 mm plus one penny over Garrett ESPECIALLY since they sent out their Paul Revere and said he would be the highest plaid non-QB out there.

While most will never understand, so far they've handled Trey correctly, imo. They knew exactly what they were doing especially in their asking price which they had a good idea no team would match. Now, to make it 100% complete they need to rip up Trey's salary and give him a 2-3 year deal with alot of cash up front. If he shows real regression this season or gets hurt or if Osaii and Murphy have monster years then they can release Trey after a year or two years and won't have him locked up long-term.

Cannot disagree with any of this Higgy. I think after testing the trade waters Trey will come back and sign the offer that we originally 
offered him which according to what I heard was 32 mil per year which is double of his current contract and he should of signed it in 
the first place. Give Ja'Marr a touch over what Garrett got and it is all good.

A Tee trade sounds possible now if he still wants 30 mil per year, steep.

[lone bengal]

I’ll give Tobin a pass far as being restricted with spending money and assume he wanted to keep Bates and the current guys resigned. But the biggest issue with this team has been drafting. After drafting Zeitler in 2012 the last good linemen we drafted after that was Mims in 2025. In that 13 year drought of not drafting good O-line we spent three first round picks ,Ogbuehi, Price , Williams , drafted two second round picks Fisher , Jackson and three 4ths D’ante Smith , Bodine, and Volson, throw in the Cody Glenn trade as well. Since 2018 we’ve fired Paul Alexander , Jim Turner and Frank Pollack and blamed them and now this 4th O-line coach is the answer ? We fired Lou and the D-line coach because they were the problem ? All we did was draft defense three drafts in a row before last year maybe the draft picks aren’t good. Chase and Burrow were easy picks. Higgins , Bates ,Wilson , Pratt sure I’ll give Tobin credit but way more misses than hits of late.

[jj22]

(03-14-2025, 03:53 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: I don't know why anybody would hire Tobin. He has missed seemingly often on draft prospects and free agents.  Now I will grant it that the scouting department or the Cincinnati Bengals is putrid and it puts a lot on his shoulders to find talent.  

With that said, you could pick several fans that follow the Bengals who are obsessed with free agents and drafting talent and such, and they ostensibly would make better decisions.  And have predicted some of the failures for the Bengals.

I think maybe League executives know what he is up against and may respect him. I thought when this came out it was odd that the local media acted like he'd get a GM position quicker than Zac could a HC position if both happened to be let go.  I had questions if either would. But they were quick to jump to Tobin's defense. 

[coachmcneil71]

Rappaport is reporting that both of the WRs are about to be signed, if so, the answer to this thread is probably a huge NO!

[ERIC1]

(03-14-2025, 05:56 PM)jj22 Wrote: I think maybe League executives know what he is up against and may respect him. I thought when this came out it was odd that the local media acted like he'd get a GM position quicker than Zac could a HC position if both happened to be let go.  I had questions if either would. But they were quick to jump to Tobin's defense. 

I know this team played lights out last year the final 6 games of the season..We know they went to the Superbowl and AFC championship game not too long ago..We know burrow was injured shortly thereafter.. ..I think any type of talk about Duke Tobin / Zac Taylor leaving or get fired is laughable

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 10:17 AM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: Rappaport is reporting that both of the WRs are about to be signed, if so, the answer to this thread is probably a huge NO!

taylor and tobin are not going anywhere and the signing of "both higgins and chase" if thats true had no impact on the afotrementioned

[ERIC1]

(03-14-2025, 04:49 PM)ochocincos Wrote: If anything reads someone potentially on their last strike, it feels like Taylor.

This feels like 2018 when Marvin had one last shot to right the ship after back to back underperforming years.
They already had let go of their OC midseason the year prior, and they replaced Guenther with Austin.

A lot was put on Marvin and the staff to actually be able to coach up the players and implement a good scheme, as the FO was not going to toss them a ton of new, expensive FAs.

This feels similar to that.
Taylor gets new positional coaches and DC to try to put up or shut up.
Prove you can coach up the players we're giving you.

this does not feel anything like Marvins final couple of years in Cincinnati..the way the team played the last six games of the  last year..those defenisve rookies coming on..our offense shining..we are only a couple of adjustments away from being a high playoff level team........Maybe Taylor wanted new "positional coaches"..sometimes a change is good ..Taylor is going to be here for many years and we are pretty fortunate to have him

[ERIC1]

(03-14-2025, 03:53 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: I don't know why anybody would hire Tobin. He has missed seemingly often on draft prospects and free agents.  Now I will grant it that the scouting department or the Cincinnati Bengals is putrid and it puts a lot on his shoulders to find talent.  

With that said, you could pick several fans that follow the Bengals who are obsessed with free agents and drafting talent and such, and they ostensibly would make better decisions.  And have predicted some of the failures for the Bengals.

other teams miss seemingly often on draft picks also..and we fans..as passionate as we are..I doubt could make better decisions..99% of the time when complain as a result of hindsight

[coachmcneil71]

(Yesterday, 11:00 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: taylor and tobin are not going anywhere and the signing of "both higgins and chase" if thats true had no impact on the afotrementioned

Well, alrighty then chief! I've been searching for a new Freddy Toast for a while now. Just may have found one in the ole fishin hole. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 04:21 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: Well, alrighty then chief! I've been searching for a new Freddy Toast for a while now. Just may have found one in the ole fishin hole. 

[Bilbo Saggins]

He was confident enough to stand in front of a microphone and say "Yeah we don't want to add new people because we we aren't used to them and we don't know exactly what they will give us." That sounds like someone who is as comfortable as comfortable can be. That sounds like someone believes that their process is just fine as it is. That doesn't sound like someone who thinks that they have to throw a hail mary in order to save their job. 

[samhain]

(Yesterday, 04:21 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: Well, alrighty then chief! I've been searching for a new Freddy Toast for a while now. Just may have found one in the ole fishin hole. 

You insult the memory of the greatest troll in this board's history.  Not even close.

[MTBengalsFan]

(Yesterday, 08:15 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: He was confident enough to stand in front of a microphone and say "Yeah we don't want to add new people because we we aren't used to them and we don't know exactly what they will give us." That sounds like someone who is as comfortable as comfortable can be. That sounds like someone believes that their process is just fine as it is. That doesn't sound like someone who thinks that they have to throw a hail mary in order to save their job. 

I've only been following the Bengals since '69, but I agree completely. Besides, it just isn't the Bengals way to fire staff. Look how long it took to ditch Coslett and Shula!

[sandwedge]

I guess Tobin knew wtf he was talking about