{The Ultimate Bengals Offseason Extravaganza Thread}

[samhain]

(03-19-2025, 04:58 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Plus, a lot of the ends I see mocked to go to us weight 240-250 lbs. I don't see us doing that.

Jihaad...in some mocks goes as high as 9 though.

I still like Green.  Idc how big he is.  He plays a lot bigger than his listed weight and is strong as hell.  I think he and Pearce are going to produce right away.  

Big fan of Jihaad as well.  I thought he was bigger than he actually is FWIW.  I'd be happy to see him be the pick.

IMO it's not out of the question to take a safety, either.  They're taking a big risk if they go into the season with Stone and Battle as the guys. One is a bad athlete for the position and the other (Battle) still has some questions about being able to hold it down at this level.  I'd like the group a lot more if Stone could be a 3rd guy like he was in Baltimore with a higher upside draft pick stepping in.  Doubt Nick E. makes it to us, but they should run to the podium if he does.  Starks would be another obvious choice.

It comes down to whether you think a stronger secondary brings the most bang for the buck or additional pass rush makes the whole unit better.  I'm not sure there's a correct answer, but they have to hit on the pick either way.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-19-2025, 04:58 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Plus, a lot of the ends I see mocked to go to us weight 240-250 lbs. I don't see us doing that.

Jihaad...in some mocks goes as high as 9 though.

Good points and yeah, he could easily be gone before 17.

(03-19-2025, 05:00 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Probably special teamer? You get an elite LB, it will change everything. Heck, elite S, elite DE. 1 playmaker on defense in addition to Trey and the defense gets so much better.

Truth. An elite player at any of those positions would take our D to another level. We have a bunch of solid guys besides Trey is about all we got.

Logan when he was healthy and Golden was his LB coach looked like he could be elite maybe, but he just hasn't been the same the last few years.

I think Dax has elite potential but he also has had trouble staying healthy and has been moved all over the place stunting his growth.

(03-19-2025, 05:15 PM)samhain Wrote: I still like Green.  Idc how big he is.  He plays a lot bigger than his listed weight and is strong as hell.  I think he and Pearce are going to produce right away.  

Big fan of Jihaad as well.  I thought he was bigger than he actually is FWIW.  I'd be happy to see him be the pick.

IMO it's not out of the question to take a safety, either.  They're taking a big risk if they go into the season with Stone and Battle as the guys. One is a bad athlete for the position and the other (Battle) still has some questions about being able to hold it down at this level.  I'd like the group a lot more if Stone could be a 3rd guy like he was in Baltimore with a higher upside draft pick stepping in.  Doubt Nick E. makes it to us, but they should run to the podium if he does.  Starks would be another obvious choice.

It comes down to whether you think a stronger secondary brings the most bang for the buck or additional pass rush makes the whole unit better.  I'm not sure there's a correct answer, but they have to hit on the pick either way.

I like Mike Green too and of course Emmanwori. Jalon Walker, Walter Nolen, Kenneth Grant. One of these players should fall to us.

[samhain]

(03-19-2025, 05:21 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Good points and yeah, he could easily be gone before 17.


Truth. An elite player at any of those positions would take our D to another level. We have a bunch of solid guys besides Trey is about all we got.

Logan when he was healthy and Golden was his LB coach looked like he could be elite maybe, but he just hasn't been the same the last few years.

I think Dax has elite potential but he also has had trouble staying healthy and has been moved all over the place stunting his growth.


I like Mike Green too and of course Emmanwori. Jalon Walker, Walter Nolen, Kenneth Grant. One of these players should fall to us.

I like all with the exception of Nolen.  He seems like a Myles Murphy type.  All of the tools and lacking in the appropriate production that they should bring.  

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-19-2025, 04:09 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Im a bit surprised Za'darius Smith isnt signed.  The guy is a great pass rusher and good stopping the run.   He shouldnt cost too much money.   I would love to have him sign with the Bengals but Im not sure we have room if we are considering drafting a DE

Would love it if we brought in Za'darius Smith myself.

(03-19-2025, 04:27 PM)Tomcat Wrote: I was listening to Todd Haley earlier today on Sirius and they were talking about the Bengals and Haley made a comment about the Bengals needing to replace Cappa and he said "The Bengals already having Karras to replace Cappa". I don't know if it was just a slip or if the Bengals are actually thinking about this and using Lee at center and then grabbing a guard in the draft. Interesting take, if that's what the Bengals are thinking and why they have been so quiet in FA on the guard pursuit.

Has Karras played RG? I know he played LG in New England...

(03-19-2025, 04:41 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: True.  Rapien tweeted a list of guys the bengals could add to improve roster.  The usual guards were mentioned.  Calais Campbell.  Great player but I don’t the need now.  Another name that caught my eye was safety Julian Blackmon of the colts.

Matthew Judon is still out there if looking for a rotational rusher 

I like these thoughts as well, is Blackmon a FS or a SS?

Judon was leading the league in sacks a few years back, couldn't be worse than most of our Ends. Would love Calais in stripes, just doubt 
we sign a guy that old even if he is still good.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-19-2025, 05:24 PM)samhain Wrote: I like all with the exception of Nolen.  He seems like a Myles Murphy type.  All of the tools and lacking in the appropriate production that they should bring.  

I watched Ole Miss a few times last year and Nolen stood out in a great way to me. If there is a concern, it is his character.

Plus Murphy is an End, not a 3-tech like Nolen. Don't really see the comparison.

[samhain]

(03-19-2025, 05:31 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I watched Ole Miss a few times last year and Nolen stood out in a great way to me. If there is a concern, it is his character.

Plus Murphy is an End, not a 3-tech like Nolen. Don't really see the comparison.

I know they play different positions, just speaking to the lack of production in college despite physical tools.  I hate when they pick those kinds of players regardless of position.

[coachmcneil71]

(03-19-2025, 05:24 PM)samhain Wrote: I like all with the exception of Nolen.  He seems like a Myles Murphy type.  All of the tools and lacking in the appropriate production that they should bring.  

I live in the heart of SEC country where at least 5-6 SEC games are aired every Saturday. ACC, SEC, and thankfully now BIG10 with the FOX acquisition. Ts, if you get a chance go watch some tape on Nolen. I think it will help to ease your concern a little.

Unless a player like Warren, Booker, or Jackson falls; Nolen and Grant are the two clear choices or so it seems. 

[Essex Johnson]

(03-17-2025, 01:25 AM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Cry babies that don't believe in coaching or a possible good draft. We drafted Geno Atkins, we can draft other studs with new Defensive coaches.

I think that is my argument to signing Tre and trade Tee, much easier to find a replacement WR than Dline

[Bengalbug]

(03-19-2025, 06:44 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I think that is my argument to signing Tre and trade Tee, much easier to find a replacement WR than Dline

Except for the fact, not assumption, that WR has the lowest probability of panning out from the draft.

The Least Likely.

[Whatever]

(03-19-2025, 11:35 AM)bfine32 Wrote: At least we've grown as a fanbase from complaining about them NOT spending money to HOW they spend money.

Baby steps.

At least Mikey boy can't be accused of pocketing the money this time.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-19-2025, 06:44 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I think that is my argument to signing Tre and trade Tee, much easier to find a replacement WR than Dline

I don't know, Tee is also way younger than Trey and this Draft is stacked with great pass rushers.

It is true that no rookie End is going to get 17+ sacks as a rookie, but we don't know if Trey will equal that again either.

I was for trading Tee, but in the end I am happy he is back for a while to hopefully prove he can stay healthy and he is just 
entering his prime. Not a lot of WR depth in this Draft either.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(03-19-2025, 12:19 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Can you explain the Steelers 24 point swing? You omitted that.

Russ had one of the best games of his life against us in that first matchup. It was the only game he got above 300 yards last season, let alone 400. It was also one of Lou’s absolute worst coaching performances, right up there with the Mike White game.

I mean, I guess you can hang your hat on the fact that he didn’t ball out again the 2nd time, but for me the competition was a huge factor during that winning streak.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(03-19-2025, 03:45 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: The reason they have spent so many premium picks on the defense is because they let a lot the better talent leave from the defense so they could save money to give to the offensive guys.  Its also not like they havent used premium picks on the offense in the past 5 years either

Burrow - 1st round
Higgins - 2nd round
Chase - 1st round
Carman - 2nd round
Mims - 1st round
Burton - 3rd round

In the past 5 years the Bengals have spent just as many 1st and 2nd round draft picks on offense as they have defense, 5

The difference is the guys on offense actually hit and deserved to be paid. We need some of the defensive picks to do that now.

[SunsetBengal]

(03-19-2025, 05:00 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Probably special teamer? You get an elite LB, it will change everything. Heck, elite S, elite DE. 1 playmaker on defense in addition to Trey and the defense gets so much better.

I agree, the defense needs another playmaker. That's why I'm so hooked on Nick Emmanwori. Getting an air traffic controller back in the middle of the secondary will fix a lot of things wrong with the defense, as well as make life easier for the front four to get to the QB.

[jj22]

Hunter extension shakes up any contract negotiations.

[TJHoushmandzadeh's Shiny Shoes]

(03-19-2025, 03:45 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: The reason they have spent so many premium picks on the defense is because they let a lot the better talent leave from the defense so they could save money to give to the offensive guys.  Its also not like they havent used premium picks on the offense in the past 5 years either

Burrow - 1st round
Higgins - 2nd round
Chase - 1st round
Carman - 2nd round
Mims - 1st round
Burton - 3rd round

In the past 5 years the Bengals have spent just as many 1st and 2nd round draft picks on offense as they have defense, 5

Not all picks are equal though.

Higgins was 33 that’s basically the same as Dax Hill at 31.

It’s been just three top 50 picks on D in 8 years and that includes Kris Jenkins at 49 last year. Compare that to the four top 20 picks on O in that time frame.

The last three R2 picks on O were 46, 33 and 52. Compare that to D which was 49, 60 and 60.

The last three R3 picks on D were 95, 95 and 97. The last R3 O pick was Burton at 80, then 83 and 85.

Usually a draft class is something like
1-5 1A
6-15 1B
15-25 1C
26-40 2A
41-55 2B etc

The distribution will vary a little each year but this year they’ve got a shot at a 1B player on D for the first time since 2008. That should be massive for this D. They could get a 2B as well. That might be the biggest injection of draft defensive talent on paper since Pollack and Thurman.

[NATI BENGALS]

(03-19-2025, 08:55 PM)jj22 Wrote: Hunter extension shakes up any contract negotiations.

He is 2 months older than Trey too.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(03-19-2025, 06:10 PM)samhain Wrote: I know they play different positions, just speaking to the lack of production in college despite physical tools.  I hate when they pick those kinds of players regardless of position.

6.5 sacks and 14 TFL this past season is lack of production?

[bengalsboy]

(03-16-2025, 04:09 PM)Atomic Orange Wrote: NFL contracts are out of hand. This shit is crazy.

They are indeed.Some DE from the Texans.Named Danielle Hunter.Just signed a  1 year contract for $35 million!

[007BengalsFan]

(03-19-2025, 08:33 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The difference is the guys on offense actually hit and deserved to be paid. We need some of the defensive picks to do that now.

It's much easier to hit when you are picking in the top 5, twice.  Those are generally cant miss picks.  Mims was picked 17th.  Jonah Williams was 11th.  The highest pick Zac has spent on defense was Myles Murphy at #28.  Overall Zac Taylor has spent 7 1st and 2nd round picks on offense vs 5 on defense.  Also, the picks on offense have been much higher so all picks are not the same.

Offense:  1, 5, 11, 17, 33, 46, 52

Defense:  28, 31, 49, 60, 60