Notes from Voluntary Practice

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 08:28 PM)Housh Wrote: I’d say 4 would be his high end


I think at his core he’s a nose or a run stopper

I don’t think he’ll ever be a 6-8 sack guy

But he is very athletic and strong so you never know

I kinda think that’s why we drafted him. Stopped the run day 1 and could grow into a pass rusher later

It is interesting, but I think Jenkins was drafted to help spell Hill.. I think McKinnley was drafted for the NT or stop the run guy. I think theri plan to have no true vet run stopper after Reader left blew up in their face. Rankins if healthy may have been a lot better than the rookies.

I think McKinnley will backup Slater and Jenkins will back up Hill.

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(Yesterday, 07:08 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: When did Hubbard lose his job to Ossai? Based on these stats, once Ossai went from part time to full time his numbers increased a ton as he had 4 of his 5 the last 6 games.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals-team-stats?category=defense&season=2024&seasonType=reg&sort=def_sck&sortOrder=desc

We also had no sacks in week 18 against Steelers. Ossai only had 1 sack in first 11 games so he definitely produced later in the year.

One more intersting fact. Ossai had 26 tackles playing part time and 20 assists, Trey playing fiulltime (3 down DE) had only 33 tackles and 16 assists. Overall Ossai must be better against the run than Trey.
In 14 games Hubbard had 2 sacks, 25 tackles and 16 assist. Hubbard used to be our best at holding the edge, yet Ossai was better in 2024.

Maybe the guy we are overlooking is Ossai to break out in 2025 based on last year. Naybe Murphy is where Ossai was in 2023 so longer way to go be a good DE.

Sadly, the injuries took its toll on Sam's body. 

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(10 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: It is interesting, but I think Jenkins was drafted to help spell Hill.. I think McKinnley was drafted for the NT or stop the run guy. I think theri plan to have no true vet run stopper after Reader left blew up in their face. Rankins if healthy may have been a lot better than the rookies.

I think McKinnley will backup Slater and Jenkins will back up Hill.

Agreed

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(Yesterday, 05:23 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Cannot bank on Murphy turning around that is for sure. I think he will be much better this season, but how much better is the question?

With Kris Jenkins and McKinnley Jackson I actually have more confidence, especially Kris. But yeah, we need this draft to be mostly Defense.

We need pass rushers badly.

actually although not as glorious..we need more heft and run stoppers..quarterbacks are far more athletic and mobile than the good ole days..a QB sack aint such a big deal anymore

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(10 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: It is interesting, but I think Jenkins was drafted to help spell Hill.. I think McKinnley was drafted for the NT or stop the run guy. I think theri plan to have no true vet run stopper after Reader left blew up in their face. Rankins if healthy may have been a lot better than the rookies.

I think McKinnley will backup Slater and Jenkins will back up Hill.

You mean Slaton, but yes I think this too.
If they add another DT, it will be to replace Carter as the 5th DT.
I personally think that DT should be someone who can rush the passer, as they don't really have more than Hill who can rush the passer even decently well right now.

Maybe it's just Rapien's and Goodberry's opinions, but they are mentioning Walter Nolen's name A LOT.
They are also mentioning Kelvin Banks.
Guys they are most mentioning after these two are Emmanwori and Starks, but they seem to think much less likely. They even mentioned possibly Derrick Harmon if Nolen and Banks not there.
Sounds like they don't believe Bengals are leaning DE, at least at 17. Maybe if they trade back though.

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(04-21-2025, 07:24 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I thought Newton showed he can be a good NFL CB.

To me, the good news is Newton was forced under fire as a rookie to show if he belongs. It is almost automatic, teams see a rookie late round CB on the field, that WR becomes option #1. Newton had some bad plays and some good plays.

I like our CB room even without Hilton. I think they can develop into a long term strength if we can keep them healthy. Turner was picked 60th in 2023, so very young. Hill was picked 31st in 2022, so very young. Britt was picked 60 in 2022, so very young. Newton drafted 149th pick in 2024. A young and atheletic group may be our breakout position group in 2025. Wilson and Ivey young. I thought Wilson showed a lot of speed last year.

It sucked losing or 2 starting CB's in 2025, but by end of the year the CB's had improved and gained valuable experience, hope it pays off in 2025 and beyond.

I thought Newton played better than expected considering he was a 5th round pick and tossed into the fray as a 5th round rookie corner in Lou's anti-rookie regime. I have higher hopes for the kid then most I suppose.  

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(1 hour ago)ochocincos Wrote: You mean Slaton, but yes I think this too.
If they add another DT, it will be to replace Carter as the 5th DT.
I personally think that DT should be someone who can rush the passer, as they don't really have more than Hill who can rush the passer even decently well right now.

Maybe it's just Rapien's and Goodberry's opinions, but they are mentioning Walter Nolen's name A LOT.
They are also mentioning Kelvin Banks.
Guys they are most mentioning after these two are Emmanwori and Starks, but they seem to think much less likely. They even mentioned possibly Derrick Harmon if Nolen and Banks not there.
Sounds like they don't believe Bengals are leaning DE, at least at 17. Maybe if they trade back though.

They are just giving their opinion.  The Bengals haven't met with Banks or Harmon.  Rapien was trying to push Tyler Booker as one of the most likely picks, and the club hasn't met with him, either.