Will Trey skip mandatory practices next week?

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 10:08 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: I think we will see an entirely differnt defense this year under golden with alot more emphasis on speed and disruption..treys sacks..although they usually came in 4-5 games were the only bright spot of a rather poor defense last year..i have watched trey closely...he gets locked into a wrestling match with the opposing tackle on almost every play and is very little help in the other aspects of the defense...we can debate this night and day but it is quite obvious that the other teams in the nfl did not value him as much as casual football fans

You don't know what you're talking about.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 11:10 AM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: The Bengals need to hire some front office help. To be cheap and bad at contracts is too much to overcome. We have a championship window that we are actively shutting with our ineptitude. 

Such a wrong take on the FO. The cheap comment is just ignores the massive contracts we gave Burrow, Chase, Higgins and gave Trey a restructured deal. Why do you dismiss and name call the FO when they clearly have invested in players. 

Your rants because Trey is not signed does not make your case.

[*Synric*]

(Yesterday, 10:16 AM)jason Wrote: I actually agree with the one trick pony assessment. He's REALLY good at that one trick though.

I hate that people don't think Trey is a good Run Defender because he really is but he misses tackles at a higher rate than average for a edge so he is not a great run defender.

[*Synric*]

(Yesterday, 10:44 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Trey lead the league in sacks created by a wide margin. He was a leader/top3/top5 in virtually every relevant pass rush stat: pressures, hurries, hits, forced fumbles, time to first pressure. 

PFF/ESPN/AI has him: 
1st: Sacks, Pressures, Quick pressures
2nd: Pass rush win rate
3rd: Batted passes
4th: Hits, Hurries
8th: Forced fumbles

ESPN has him #1 in sacks created by a country mile. 2nd in pass rush win rate. 

AI says first in quick pressures. 

Yes, he is not elite or very good vs the run like some others (Crosby, Watt, Garrett). But he isn't awful (65.9). 

In terms of overall DE play, Trey is probably top 5-ish. PFF has him 8th overall and 5th in pass rush. I'd say that is a smidge too low. 

I think you can make a very good case for him being the most effective pass rushing DE in the league last year (and the last several). 

The issue is not the talent or production of Trey Hendrickson but taking a chance that a 31 year old Edge Defender won't fall off a cliff for the various reasons.


 Age brings Higher Risk.  

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10 hours ago)Synric Wrote: The issue is not the talent or production of Trey Hendrickson but taking a chance that a 31 year old Edge Defender won't fall off a cliff for the various reasons.


Age brings Higher Risk.

It’s worth rolling the dice when you have a Joe Burrow in his prime. Just ***** GO FOR IT for once.

[NUGDUKWE]

(11 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Such a wrong take on the FO. The cheap comment is just ignores the massive contracts we gave Burrow, Chase, Higgins and gave Trey a restructured deal. Why do you dismiss and name call the FO when they clearly have invested in players. 

Your rants because Trey is not signed does not make your case.

How can you ignore that we could've lowered Tees and Chases cap hit this year instead of raising them. That we front loaded heavy cap hits on all the other players we signed. We could easily be sitting here with an actual starting caliber FA guard, trey and probably a safety signed and be no worse off.

Not signing Trey does piss me off but at this point it's more about us repeating mistakes. Trey is just another player that is too good to trade but not good enough to pay. I also think we are repeating the mistake of getting accustomed to the talent we see and undervaluing it. Trey led the league in sacks when has that happened in recent memory. That is not easily replaced and certainly not with a player that had some of the worst production data at his position in the last 25 years. 

I do get the argument of waiting until the season gets under way. The problem is I know the Bengals will do nothing if the season starts and a player or position group is underperforming.

[NUGDUKWE]

(10 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: It’s worth rolling the dice when you have a Joe Burrow in his prime. Just ***** GO FOR IT for once.

100%. This is the time as a team or fan you wait and hope for. Just take a swing to give these players the best chance possible. 

[Ell Prez]

He’s probably not looking at as $100k lost. It’s an investment. His ROI could be 20-200x if he gets the contract he wants, by sitting out. If he shows up and plays, he 100% isn’t getting a new contract. His only play at this moment is to sign what was offered, or sit out as leverage. It’s a gamble. I think he sits out a little but not a whole season.

[Stewy]

He'll do a holdin like Chase.

[Luvnit2]

(10 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: How can you ignore that we could've lowered Tees and Chases cap hit this year instead of raising them. That we front loaded heavy cap hits on all the other players we signed. We could easily be sitting here with an actual starting caliber FA guard, trey and probably a safety signed and be no worse off.

Not signing Trey does piss me off but at this point it's more about us repeating mistakes. Trey is just another player that is too good to trade but not good enough to pay. I also think we are repeating the mistake of getting accustomed to the talent we see and undervaluing it. Trey led the league in sacks when has that happened in recent memory. That is not easily replaced and certainly not with a player that had some of the worst production data at his position in the last 25 years. 

I do get the argument of waiting until the season gets under way. The problem is I know the Bengals will do nothing if the season starts and a player or position group is underperforming.

You want to discuss contract structure, that is a different conversation. If you want to call the team cheap when they paid out a ton of cash in 2025 and are normally at worst in the middle of teams cash spend is a different argument. The cash spend makes your afrument a bad one, they are not cheap.

They chose to pay me now with Tee and Jamar contracts, they spent the money and that structuring does not make them cheap. You also assume their plan (not your plan) was to do it so they could ot spend more in FA or on Trey, but at the same time if they extend Trey for his demands they have the cap space in 2025 to do it. Trey simply can't get Trey to compromise.

[*rfaulk34*]

(10 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: It’s worth rolling the dice when you have a Joe Burrow in his prime. Just ***** GO FOR IT for once.

'We can't take a chance paying Trey that money when we could instead pay someone who will produce at a much much lower level!!!!'

Seriously. Has ANYONE against signing Trey even THOUGHT about that? They'll instead be paying someone who won't produce in a top 10 fashion. 

But you know...you can't take a chance at Trey keeping up for the next 3 years. 

***** stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupid.

[*rfaulk34*]

(10 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: How can you ignore that we could've lowered Tees and Chases cap hit this year instead of raising them.

The front office folk ignore anything that makes sense. 

They could have done that, or they could have signed them last year for less money and they also could have signed Trey to a longer term contract last year for much less money as well.

But nooooooooooooo, there's nothing wrong with this bengals front office. They're the bees knees!!!!!

[*rfaulk34*]

(4 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: You want to discuss contract structure, that is a different conversation. If you want to call the team cheap when they paid out a ton of cash in 2025 and are normally at worst in the middle of teams cash spend is a different argument. The cash spend makes your afrument a bad one, they are not cheap.

They chose to pay me now with Tee and Jamar contracts, they spent the money and that structuring does not make them cheap. You also assume their plan (not your plan) was to do it so they could ot spend more in FA or on Trey, but at the same time if they extend Trey for his demands they have the cap space in 2025 to do it. Trey simply can't get Trey to compromise.

It's not different. Its just highlights the total ineptitude of this front office. And yes, they are cheap when it comes to every other contract for anyone that's not a QB. They pay "bell cow" QBs early and often to market money. Everyone else? Pinch, twist and grab on to every nickel for dear life. 

They ****** themselvesby by not signing Chase and Tee last year, then ****** themselves againa for how they structured it so that they could claim "no moniez!" when Trey's time came along. 

They're very transparently bad at building a championship team and they're cheap for anyone that's not a franchise QB. 

Bad. They're bad bad bad bad at what they do that doesn't include making money for themselves.