Will Trey skip mandatory practices next week?

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 11:46 AM)J24 Wrote: Yeah,  why would fans want to sign a guy who lead the NFL in sacks this past season's and was second the year prior? He only accounts for 48% of our sack total ,what a bum!

I cant belive  the A-hole ask for market value? He should be thankful with the contract Katie gave him because Katie seems to be a very rational and fair negotiator!

He is signed. His 2025 last year of his contract is the starting point. If he was offered 28 million to play in 2025, a raise of 12 million, he is the problem, not the team that has him under contract.

I agree with the FO. They have him under contract for 2025. They can franchise him for 2026 if he does play in 2025, if not he loses a ton of money. Players playing chicken with our front office do not win historically.

I suggest he show up to work at mandatory camp this week and show he has some flexibility, otherwise I say the team should play hard ball and tell him to kiss their ass.

[Luvnit2]

Gee, it looks like more than Trey may skip mandatory camp. We will see, but is Watt.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45444200/nfl-minicamp-holdouts-holdins-micah-parsons-kirk-cousins-jalen-ramsey

I guess all of the FO's including the Steelers are inept.

Or is maybe the business part of the NFL?

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

Yeah, there are a lot of holdouts going on. Figured Trey would skip mandatories along with the rest of the guys.

At least he doesn't look as bad as Ramsey. That dude just got paid big. AJ Green needs to ***** slap that guys ass again.

[J24]

(Yesterday, 11:54 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: He is signed. His 2025 last year of his contract is the starting point. If he was offered 28 million to play in 2025, a raise of 12 million, he is the problem, not the team that has him under contract.

I agree with the FO. They have him under contract for 2025. They can franchise him for 2026 if he does play in 2025, if not he loses a ton of money. Players playing chicken with our front office do not win histprically.

I suggest he show up to work at mandatory camp this week and show he has some flexibility, otherwise I say the team should play hard ball and tell him to kiss their ass.

Except 28 million is less than current market value of an ege rusher. So no the FO are not being fair and are clearly  the problem here.

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 02:21 PM)J24 Wrote: Except 28 million is less than current market value of an ege rusher. So no the FO are not being fair and are clearly  the problem here.

And it's 12 million more than they are contractually obligated to pay him for the season, so it's not only the FO that is the problem. 

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 02:21 PM)J24 Wrote: Except 28 million is less than current market value of an ege rusher. So no the FO are not being fair and are clearly  the problem here.

LOL

He is under contract. The Bengal's determine his market value, not you or anyone else. Purdy played for 1 million dollars for multiple years. He was screwed, but that is the busness in the NFL. I did see SF running to give him more money.

Also, a 28 million dollar offer is clsoer to 31 million a year if you factor in bous money he got in 2022 to extend him the last time. Many like to ignore that portion.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 02:23 PM)Sled21 Wrote: And it's 12 million more than they are contractually obligated to pay him for the season, so it's not only the FO that is the problem. 

If they offered him 28 million, it would be over 30 million in 2025 once you factor in a signing bonus he received in 2022.

I agree with you, it is a very generous offer.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 02:21 PM)J24 Wrote: Except 28 million is less than current market value of an ege rusher. So no the FO are not being fair and are clearly  the problem here.

The agent is also a problem here. Every year Trey is asking for more money, every year. We don't know the details but if Trey is asking for 35 mil
for 4 years that is the problem at his age. There needs to be a common ground.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 02:31 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: The agent is also a problem here. Every year Trey is asking for more money, every year. We don't know the details but if Trey is asking for 35 mil
for 4 years that is the problem at his age. There needs to be a common ground.

I am beginning to wonder who Stewart's agent is as he has yet to sign a contract.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 02:35 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I am beginning to wonder who Stewart's agent is as he has yet to sign a contract.

I bet Stewart signs any day now. With Trey, I have no idea.

[J24]

(Yesterday, 02:31 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: The agent is also a problem here. Every year Trey is asking for more money, every year. We don't know the details but if Trey is asking for 35 mil
for 4 years that is the problem at his age. There needs to be a common ground.

Its depends on guruantees of the contract and how the contract; if it's 4 years of guarantees then I agree with you but if it's one or two years of gurantees than who cares about how many years the deal? 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 02:59 PM)J24 Wrote: Its depends on guruantees of the contract and how the contract; if it's 4 years of guarantees then I agree with you but if it's one or two years of gurantees than who cares about how many years the deal? 

Agree with you here J24. If it is 2 years of guarantees on a 4 year deal it should be more than fine. I think Trey has a couple more years of double digit 
sacks in him where he is clearly worth it. I just don't think he is going to lead the league in sacks again.

[007BengalsFan]

(06-08-2025, 10:52 AM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Sacks matter. There are obviously other metrics besides just sacks though. You pointed out sacks to show he wasn't that good and other people pointed out some of the other metrics. I think the simple fact the Bengals did the 1 year extension show there was a solid argument to the metrics that people mentioned. Otherwise the Bengals wouldn't have done anything. Problem is now all the stats are too good to just slap a 1 year deal on it.

If Trey had just 8 sacks this past 2024 season would anyone be claiming he should be the paid at the top?   

[J24]

(Yesterday, 03:03 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: If Trey had just 8 sacks this past 2024 season would anyone be claiming he should be the paid at the top?   

If my Aunt had balls she'd be my uncle!

[007BengalsFan]

(Yesterday, 03:47 PM)J24 Wrote: If my Aunt had balls she'd be my uncle!

Exactly,  and if Trey had got 17.5 sacks in 2022 he would have been #2 in the NFL in sacks but unfortunately he had just 8 which put him at #30

[J24]

(Yesterday, 08:43 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Exactly,  and if Trey had got 17.5 sacks in 2022 he would have been #2 in the NFL in sacks but unfortunately he had just 8 which put him at #30

35 sacks the past two seasons; 17.5 in each. 57 in 4 seasons with the Bengals which is 14.25 sacks a season! Yep, dude doesn't deserve to be paid

[007BengalsFan]

(Yesterday, 08:58 PM)J24 Wrote: 35 sacks the past two seasons; 17.5 in each. 57 in 4 seasons with the Bengals which is 14.25 sacks a season! Yep, dude doesn't deserve to be paid

He didnt deserve the extension he got after the 22 season where he was #30 in the NFL in sacks after only fufilling 2 years of his 4 year contract.   That extension and Trey's greed backfired on him when he put up big numbers in 2023 and 2024.  Now Trey is under contract for 2025.  That's all on Trey and his agent.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 02:59 PM)J24 Wrote: Its depends on guruantees of the contract and how the contract; if it's 4 years of guarantees then I agree with you but if it's one or two years of gurantees than who cares about how many years the deal? 

We don't know how long the extension offered. I have broken down numerous times in Trey threads ways to sign him for 4 years and get him close to hs asking price for 3 or 4 year deals. They key though if I am the Bengals, If I am going to give him 8 to 12 million more in 2025 all guaranteed, then in years 2 to 4 those guarantees go away and become more performnce base to protect the team in case Trey underperforms.

Trey would need to believe in himself to continue producing, if he does no major risk. If he continues his production give him them the incentives to be abe to make 33 to 34 million a year.

Both Trey and the team should equally share the risk in my opinion due to Trey's age in years 2 and 3 or 2 to 4.

The other piece I am watching is the Watt and Steeler's camp. What are they going to do? Will they give Watt a large extension with large guarantees or not?

[J24]

(Yesterday, 09:15 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: He didnt deserve the extension he got after the 22 season where he was #30 in the NFL in sacks after only fufilling 2 years of his 4 year contract.   That extension and Trey's greed backfired on him when he put up big numbers in 2023 and 2024.  Now Trey is under contract for 2025.  That's all on Trey and his agent.

This makes zero sense!

[THE PISTONS]

(Yesterday, 09:20 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: We don't know how long the extension offered. I have broken down numerous times in Trey threads ways to sign him for 4 years and get him close to hs asking price for 3 or 4 year deals. They key though if I am the Bengals, If I am going to give him 8 to 12 million more in 2025 all guaranteed, then in years 2 to 4 those guarantees go away and become more performnce base to protect the team in case Trey underperforms.

Trey would need to believe in himself to continue producing, if he does no major risk. If he continues his production give him them the incentives to be abe to make 33 to 34 million a year.

Both Trey and the team should equally share the risk in my opinion due to Trey's age in years 2 and 3 or 2 to 4.

The other piece I am watching is the Watt and Steeler's camp. What are they going to do? Will they give Watt a large extension with large guarantees or not?

Yeah..a 4 year deal is definitely risky in years 3 and 4.