The Monster DE From Miami

[*ochocincos*]

(01-04-2021, 02:36 AM)Yojimbo Wrote: I haven’t seen any defender except Surtain in the Top 10 until today, I saw a mock that had Paye going 4 to the Falcons.

I've seen Farley and Rousseau mentioned in the Top 10 across different sites, but it's not 100% across the board.
Given both of them opted out for 2020, I think that's factoring into why they might be falling out.
The Combine will be important for them, as we will get to see how they've grown while being out of football for a year.

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(01-04-2021, 02:50 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: True. The combine is going to be extremely important for the players that opted out and couldn’t put anything on film this year.

I wonder if any player will be eligible for Senior Bowl or Shrine Game if they opted out.

[NATI BENGALS]

(01-04-2021, 02:57 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Ha! Same question I was just thinking to myself. Obviously none of the juniors can go to the senior bowl, but there are smaller venues like shrine bowl and NFLPA collegiate bowl.

I thought certain underclassman were eligible if they got their degree

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(01-03-2021, 05:12 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: I’ve watched some tape, but his big games came against the worst guard play you will ever see in college. Florida state game for example, he got 4 sacks but tge guard play on that  team was really bad.

Kinda on the kwity train as he is way less raw.

I think Kwity Paye is pretty raw.
Rousseau had 19.5 TFL and 15.5 sacks in just 13 games.
Paye had 23.5 TFL but just 11.5 sacks in 28 games.
I see the appeal for Paye, but he didn't exactly light up college football. 

Paye seems more like Rashan Gary to me.
Gary had 34 college games with 23.0 TFL and 9.5 sacks. A bigger DE like Paye.
Gary was taken 12th overall by GB primarily because of his measurables and Combine.
Through two seasons in the NFL, Gary has put up just 7.0 sacks in 31 games.

Would fans be satisfied if it took Paye (or any pass rusher) a few seasons to acclimate?

[*ochocincos*]

(01-05-2021, 07:50 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: One of the problems with Gary in GB, is they drafted him and then signed to huge FA’s to play in front of him Z. Smith and P. Smith.

One would assume part of that is because they felt he wasn't ready to take on full-time DE duties.

[*bfine32*]

Lot's of folks that forecast drafts for a living are all over the place on GR.

I've seen him mocked anywhere from #4OA to the 20s.

The dude is 6'7" 265lbs and had 15.5 sacks and 19.5 TFL as a Redshirt Freshman

Myles Garret went #1 a couple years ago a never matched those number in any of his years at A&M

IDK is taking him is smart but I can see us kicking ourselves if we don't while this guy tears it up in Dallas

[Gdale_Bengal]

(01-05-2021, 04:31 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I think Kwity Paye is pretty raw.
Rousseau had 19.5 TFL and 15.5 sacks in just 13 games.
Paye had 23.5 TFL but just 11.5 sacks in 28 games.
I see the appeal for Paye, but he didn't exactly light up college football. 

Paye seems more like Rashan Gary to me.
Gary had 34 college games with 23.0 TFL and 9.5 sacks. A bigger DE like Paye.
Gary was taken 12th overall by GB primarily because of his measurables and Combine.
Through two seasons in the NFL, Gary has put up just 7.0 sacks in 31 games.

Would fans be satisfied if it took Paye (or any pass rusher) a few seasons to acclimate?

He’s less raw than Rosseau, as in he needs development in every aspect of the position. Drafting Rosseau to me means a team is willing to forfeit basically 3 years before he sees significant time on the field.

Kwity Paye won’t start year 1, because he needs to develop his fundamentals more, but he has great intangibles and should make an impact year one. That’s my opinion.

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(01-05-2021, 08:39 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: I think I put it backwards though. They signed the two Smith’s and then drafted Gary, in the same offseason. So, he’s never had the opportunity to start (other than injury related) because of the 60 and 50 million dollar starters in front of him.

Gotcha. 
Still, you have to be concerned why the 12th overall draft pick from 2019 is only getting less than 50% of the defensive snaps in his second year. I'd think you'd want a 1st rounder to contribute more than that by this point.
With that said, The Packers have won 13 games each of the past two seasons, so I guess they're doing something right lol.

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(01-05-2021, 10:16 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: He’s less raw than Rosseau, as in he needs development in every aspect of the position. Drafting Rosseau to me means a team is willing to forfeit basically 3 years before he sees significant time on the field.

Kwity Paye won’t start year 1, because he needs to develop his fundamentals more, but he has great intangibles and should make an impact year one. That’s my opinion.

I don't agree that Rousseau needs 3 years of development.
I think he gets (or should get) to be a pass rush specialist his rookie year and could put up 7+ sacks in that role.
He should be able to handle full-time DE duties by the start of his sophomore year.
If he cannot get to that point that fast, he doesn't deserve to be picked in Top 10 IMO.

[Nicomo Cosca]

Pretty good breakdown on Rousseau here:

https://youtu.be/i0u9r7_h7bw

I’d be pretty upset if we took him with a top 5 pick.

[Gdale_Bengal]

(01-07-2021, 08:03 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Pretty good breakdown on Rousseau here:

https://youtu.be/i0u9r7_h7bw

I’d be pretty upset if we took him with a top 5 pick.

I don’t have time to watch this breakdown right now, but I still feel like he is a multi year project player since he is still brand new to the position. I don’t care about tat he had 15 Sacks, I bet most of his sacks came from horrible line play. Watch his 4 sack Florida state game.

If a team drafts Rosseau in the top 10 It will be a really bad selection at That spot.

[Okeana]

this guy has bust written all over him

[Gdale_Bengal]

(01-07-2021, 08:48 PM)Okeana Wrote: this guy has bust written all over him

He’s major boom/bust. Like you play him very little in year 1, put him in some packages year 2, then you hope he has it put together in year 3 to start.

Idk if you pick that kinda guy top 10 or even in the first

[Okeana]

(01-07-2021, 09:18 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: He’s major boom/bust. Like you play him very little in year 1, put him in some packages year 2, then you hope he has it put together in year 3 to start.

Idk if you pick that kinda guy top 10 or even in the first

There is to much good talent to risk it on this guy for sure