What a franchise QB can do

[Shake n Blake]

(01-20-2020, 04:27 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: I'm going to name 1 Aaron Rodgers according to many football analytics people Mike Mccarthy is a horrible head coach.

Aaron Rodgers had a good team around him when he won the Super Bowl. Their defense ranked 5th in yards allowed and 2nd in points allowed. His receiving core boasted the likes of Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, Jordy Nelson and James Jones. There are questions around McCarthy, but he'll have to prove people wrong starting this year. It's debatable on whether those questions are fair or not.

(01-20-2020, 05:01 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: There's 2 huge things that Joe Montana didn't have to worry about, though, Shake. They're two big enough things that I can't help but diminish his accomplishments a bit....

1. Free Agency  (didn't start properly until 1993)
2. Salary Cap  (didn't exist until 1994)


It's a whole lot easier to keep a team dominant when you don't have to worry about your best players having the ability to leave, or have to worry about having too many good players taking up too much of the non-existent salary cap.

Joe Montana if he were in his prime in 2019 would be making $35m/yr+, and Jerry Rice would be making $22m/yr+... easily.

That's at least $57m/yr out of a $188.2m salary cap for 2 players.

I mean heck, they were able to keep Steve Young, a freaking HoFer, on their bench for his 3rd-6th professional seasons because of a lack of FA.

This would be a better point if Montana didn't win 2 Super Bowls without Rice and Taylor. The 49ers weren't a power house of talent when Montana took over. They were 2-14 the year before Joe took the reigns as starter. Then he led them to 13-3 + ring in his first full season. You wouldn't recognize many of the names on that roster, outside of Ronnie Lott and Dwight Clark (who was a solid player, but no Jerry Rice).

Fair point on the salaries, but we have no idea if Joe would've taken less, ala Brady. Maybe he would have. The Patriots themselves have had no shortage of talent, despite free agency. Some of these names have revolved in and out of that team through the years:

Troy Brown
Lawyer Milloy
Ty Law
Teddy Bruschi
Junior Seau
Darrelle Revis
Randy Moss
Wes Welker
Rob Gronkowski
Julian Edelman
Corey Dillon
Richard Seymour
Vince Wilfork
Mike Vrabel
Willie McGinnest
Donte Stallworth
Adalius Thomas
Ben Watson
Ty Warren
Rodney Harrison
Adalius Thomas
Asante Samuel
Deion Branch
Danny Woodhead
Shane Vereen
Andre Carter
LeGarrette Blount
Jamie Collins
Chandler Jones
Jabaal Sheard
James White
Stephon Gilmore
etc etc

Not to mention 2 of the best kickers in NFL history and a defense that was top 5ish for each of their SB runs. The Patriots have had an embarrassment of talent. They just cycle through players, and a lot of these player's contributions are forgotten.