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Judge for yourself below, but looks like a big hit or miss to me as far as drafting an all pro player. I would have thought 12th pick would have higher success rate.
http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Bengals-hold-the-12th-overall-Draft-selection/abe90f87-334f-4fcb-8c53-8cbd54e376d7
12th Overall Selections since 2000:
YEAR
TEAM
POSITION
PLAYER
2017
Houston Texans
QB
DeShaun Watson (Clemson)
2016
New Orleans Saints
DT
Sheldon Rankins (Louisville)
2015
Cleveland Browns
DT
Danny Shelton (Washington)
2014
New York Giants
WR
Odell Beckham, Jr. (LSU) *
2013
Oakland Raiders
CB
D.J. Hayden (Houston)
2012
Philadelphia Eagles
DT
Fletcher Cox (Mississippi State) *
2011
Minnesota Vikings
QB
Christian Ponder (Florida State)
2010
San Diego Chargers
RB
Ryan Mathews (Fresno State)
2009
Denver Broncos
RB
Knowshon Moreno (Georgia)
2008
Denver Broncos
OT
Ryan Clady (Boise State) *
2007
Buffalo Bills
RB
Marshawn Lynch (California) *
2006
Baltimore Ravens
DT
Haloti Ngata (Oregon) *
2005
San Diego Chargers
LB
Shawne Merriman (Maryland) *
2004
New York Jets
LB
Jonathan Vilma (Miami, FL) *
2003
St. Louis Rams
DT
Jimmy Kennedy (Penn State)
2002
Arizona Cardinals
DT
Wendell Bryant (Wisconsin)
2001
St. Louis Rams
DT
Damione Lewis (Miami, FL)
2000
New York Jets
DE
Shaun Ellis (Tennessee) *
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I'd rather the Bengals just focus on getting a good player that has a low chance to bust. Don't try too hard to find a "future pro bowler" by chasing potential.
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(01-23-2018, 04:31 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'd rather the Bengals just focus on getting a good player that has a low chance to bust. Don't try too hard to find a "future pro bowler" by chasing potential.
I agree and hard to find, but one with no medical history issues. It is absurd how many of our 1st round picks missed all or significant time due to injuries.
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(01-23-2018, 04:33 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I agree and hard to find, but one with no medical history issues. It is absurd how many of our 1st round picks missed all or significant time due to injuries.
Yep. Lose valuable "cheap" years from that contract too even if the player does end up becoming a good/great player but injured.
I think especially with Ogbuehi, they let All-Pro potential drive too much of their evaluation and it backfired.
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To me, the failures at #12 were all reaches at the time.
I remember thinking "what the hell are they taking this guy so high for" when the following were drafted:
Hayden, Ponder and Lewis.
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(01-25-2018, 02:21 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: To me, the failures at #12 were all reaches at the time.
I remember thinking "what the hell are they taking this guy so high for" when the following were drafted:
Hayden, Ponder and Lewis.
I'm pretty sure Mike Zimmer was in love with Hayden and we would have taken him had he gotten to us at 21.
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I remember busting out laughing when Ponder went #12 to Minnesota. His wife would've been worth that pick though!
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(01-25-2018, 03:21 PM)Au165 Wrote: I'm pretty sure Mike Zimmer was in love with Hayden and we would have taken him had he gotten to us at 21.
Yep, at #21.
More often than not, if you reach early, the player ends up being a bust.
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(01-25-2018, 07:00 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Yep, at #21.
More often than not, if you reach early, the player ends up being a bust.
I'm not sure I'd say 9 spots were the difference in the kids success.
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(01-23-2018, 04:31 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'd rather the Bengals just focus on getting a good player that has a low chance to bust. Don't try too hard to find a "future pro bowler" by chasing potential.
In that case a choice between Vita Vea, Roquan Smith, and Quentin Nelson (likely gone) makes the most sense. Knowing Mike Brown, expect neither of those three. My guess is the Bengals end up with Mike McGlinchey or Connor Williams.
Through 2023
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Playoff Record: 5-9, .357 winning pct.
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Playoff Record: 5-2, .714 winning pct.
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(01-26-2018, 09:34 AM)Au165 Wrote: I'm not sure I'd say 9 spots were the difference in the kids success.
Not saying it is either, but looking at that list, it seems like all the disappointments were guys that are taken much higher then expected.
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