"Oh what tangled webs we weave"....The Finley situation

[Fan_in_Kettering]

(11-01-2019, 12:48 PM)thompson19osu Wrote: Poor o-line and no run game. I think teams are gonna tee off on Finley and blitz the hell out of him. He does seem to have better pocket presence than Dalton but unless he is Lamar Jackson or Russel Wilson, no way he is escaping the heat that’s about to brought on him.

I agree I think we may see some flashes but I would also expect no less than 3 sacks a game with possible INT. They can shuffle any QB back there they want but until they address the o-line nothing will change.....NOTHING.

This is an accurate analysis. I truly hope Ryan Finley exceeds all our expectations but we need to make sure we manage our expectations properly. The first game he starts will be against the Baltimore Ravens and that won’t be easy because their defense plays so fast.

[fredtoast]

(11-01-2019, 10:14 PM)mt415tress Wrote: Andy Dalton hasn’t helped the team win

He is an awful NFL quarterback.

Thank god he’s gone. He sucks.  I don’t know why this is complicated for some

This combination of brilliant style and in depth perception is just what we have been needing around here.

Your unique perspective and insight is like a light in the darkness.

Your presence has truly elevated this message board to a new level.

Can't wait for your next post.

[TKUHL]

(11-01-2019, 09:59 PM)fredtoast Wrote: There is no way Dalton takes another snap unless both Finley and Dolegala get injured.

If Taylor does try that then he truly is clueless as a head coach.

Fred it’s the Bengals we’re talking about. I don’t think Dalton takes another snap. But a few weeks down the road who knows maybe after a few wins, Finley gets hurt I can totally see Taylor putting him in. And gosh gee ok Dalton is too nice of a guy not to say no. I wouldn’t put anything past this team.

Again, if it’s me there absolutely no reason what so ever for Andy to take another snap. At least not this season. Defeats the whole purpose of benching him. Like I said before they have to see how Finley does good or bad. How he responds and so on. If they decide he’s not the guy before the season is over then we see what we have in Dolagala.

[George Cantstandya]

The real possibility, the Bengals are near or at a need for a full rebuild and the sooner they embrace that the better. How quickly they tackle that and how well they do it we will only know in the next few years (so far it seems to be denial). If Finley somehow shows he can be a quality starting QB then that is just one less piece they need. If not the rebuild gets even more complicated because right now the best players on this team are entering the years where their age will catch up with them and we have not seen much from many of the younger players. So having to draft a new QB and placing a team around him will take even longer to get the team back to being competitive. I'm not saying Finley is going to the answer but it would certainly benefit the Bengals if he somehow did light it up. Just one less piece to replace in a team full of holes.

There are just too many missing pieces right now. So many that having a quality QB on the roster if it is Finely, Dalton again or a top QB draft pick the Bengals need to do more at some point to build around that.

[TKUHL]

(11-01-2019, 10:08 PM)jason Wrote: Personally if I'm Dalton, I point to Jake Lettersalad if Finley gets hurt. His benching suggests that he's the problem, so someone else should be the solution. From this point forward, he has no obligation to help this team, or help groom his replacement. His future isn't here, so it's best if he just collects a check and has a seat.

See I don’t agree with this. I don’t think he should be placed back into a game this season but if Finley goes down, Andy definitely has an obligation to this team, and millions of reasons why. He’s not the first QB to be benched and he won’t be the first QB to come back in after being benched. Again I wouldn’t put him in but if they decide to then he should suck it up and play. Just cause the guy got his feelings hurt doesn’t mean he has the right to sit around and cry about it. A QB has to get this team threw the season if one or 2 gets hurt which isn’t far fetched with this line.

[*rfaulk34*]

(11-01-2019, 09:57 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Sorry, but I still don't know what you are talking about.  Where have I misquoted anyone or made anything up?


"Hypocrite"  by itself is a personal attack.  

Especially when you can't back it up with anything.

lol. 

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-How-Andy-Dalton-reads-defense-as-well-as-anybody-in-the-league?pid=780745#pid780745
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=774271#pid774271
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=774553#pid774553
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=774583#pid774583
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=774584#pid774584

Here's a perfectly reasonable post explaining where i stand. One you completely ignore. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=775037#pid775037

And right after that post, you pick this out to reply to. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=775050#pid775050

Here's another thorough post spreading the blame around and giving legitimate reasons why a different QB could help the team.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-It-s-time-to-face-the-facts?pid=765324#pid765324

And here's your reply to it. Finding one example, a guy who rips Dalton to shreds all the time...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-It-s-time-to-face-the-facts?pid=767374#pid767374

Here's a poster that realizes i post plenty of positive stuff about Dalton. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Andy-loses-us-another-big-game?pid=761853#pid761853

Here's a post that very succinctly explains the question i was asking before you started making up shit about how i was saying "all that matters" when shooting down your and other's examples.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Andy-loses-us-another-big-game?pid=762607#pid762607

Now back to the misquotes and made up stuff. 

I don't know where the hell you came up with this. Mixon is widely regarded as a better RB than Dalton is a QB. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-When-do-we-make-the-switch-at-QB?pid=765728#pid765728

Here's a perfect post to highlight your hypocrisy. I used raw stats to show that Keenum was playing better than Dalton and you posted to disagree, citing some lesser player being better than Khalil Mack because he had more stats...yet, you argued and mocked me that Dalton had a better game than Brissett had against the Colts because DALTON HAD BETTER RAW STATS! You can't make this stuff up, folks. Well, Fred can...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-When-do-we-make-the-switch-at-QB?pid=765736#pid765736

And here's you going on about that damn Gopher again...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-When-do-we-make-the-switch-at-QB?pid=765738#pid765738
Sorry, just had to break up the monotony of all these posts. 

Back to the misquotes...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-When-do-we-make-the-switch-at-QB?pid=765749#pid765749
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737503#pid737503
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737505#pid737505
And here's another instance, in a long line of instances, of me explaining what i specifically was looking for.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737585#pid737585

And here i am saying that the types of gameS i'm looking for are the one's that elevate QBs in the eyes of commentators and fans. And your reply?...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737895#pid737895
"Single game"??? Who the **** said anything about a single game?

Here's some more of that bullshit. I said "overall great game", you know...where he plays well throughout? Not just in the first half? And you completely butcherd the post and make shit up.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737897#pid737897

I said 'elevate QBs in other's eyes'. You changed it to...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=738147#pid738147

"won't count". Your favorite made up word.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=738346#pid738346

Ok, that's quite enough for one night and it's just posts from the Dalton sub-forum. There's tenfold in JN. You misquote, make up your own words and logic and build up strawmen like you own a damn farm with the worlds biggest cornfield. But after doing that to not only me, but several people on this forum, you turn right around and tell people to stop--or they can't--make(ing) stuff up. 

If you're still confused after all this, seek help because you have a clear pattern of all you've been accused of and i'm not going to continue to waste my time showing you stuff you said. 

I'll just end for now, with this...

This is just me being Nostradamus, as usual. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=738041#pid738041

[Atomic Orange]

See i wouldn't have bothered with all that^ and just went to Pornhub instead.

[Catmandude123]

(11-01-2019, 05:23 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I think that answer comes down to how the Bengals would approach the draft.
One could argue that getting a better OL means your team will be better and therefore could cause you to pick later in the draft the following year(s).

Let's say the Bengals pick 12th next year after drafting Andrew Thomas this year.
If they are picking 12th, they likely are not getting a shot at the first, second, or maybe even third QB prospect in the draft.
At that point, they have to decide whether they want to give up draft picks to move up.

Or they could get a QB now given they very likely are getting a top 5 pick in what should be a good QB draft class.
They could get the QB now and deal with the QB getting having a bad OL for a year then address the OL in Rd 1 next year.

Or, you know, actually address OL in FA like a smart person would do and still get your QB in the draft. 

Drafting O-line is a great plan. Teams like the Pats And Cowboys are loaded their line with first rounders. The only thig is we suck at drafting o-line players. Williams injured, Price a bona fide bust and don't get me started on Ogbeuhi. Whoever is scouting for us needs to be shown the door and new scouts hired.

[Catmandude123]

(11-01-2019, 11:45 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: lol. 

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-How-Andy-Dalton-reads-defense-as-well-as-anybody-in-the-league?pid=780745#pid780745
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=774271#pid774271
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=774553#pid774553
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=774583#pid774583
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=774584#pid774584

Here's a perfectly reasonable post explaining where i stand. One you completely ignore. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=775037#pid775037

And right after that post, you pick this out to reply to. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=775050#pid775050

Here's another thorough post spreading the blame around and giving legitimate reasons why a different QB could help the team.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-It-s-time-to-face-the-facts?pid=765324#pid765324

And here's your reply to it. Finding one example, a guy who rips Dalton to shreds all the time...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-It-s-time-to-face-the-facts?pid=767374#pid767374

Here's a poster that realizes i post plenty of positive stuff about Dalton. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Andy-loses-us-another-big-game?pid=761853#pid761853

Here's a post that very succinctly explains the question i was asking before you started making up shit about how i was saying "all that matters" when shooting down your and other's examples.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Andy-loses-us-another-big-game?pid=762607#pid762607

Now back to the misquotes and made up stuff. 

I don't know where the hell you came up with this. Mixon is widely regarded as a better RB than Dalton is a QB. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-When-do-we-make-the-switch-at-QB?pid=765728#pid765728

Here's a perfect post to highlight your hypocrisy. I used raw stats to show that Keenum was playing better than Dalton and you posted to disagree, citing some lesser player being better than Khalil Mack because he had more stats...yet, you argued and mocked me that Dalton had a better game than Brissett had against the Colts because DALTON HAD BETTER RAW STATS! You can't make this stuff up, folks. Well, Fred can...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-When-do-we-make-the-switch-at-QB?pid=765736#pid765736

And here's you going on about that damn Gopher again...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-When-do-we-make-the-switch-at-QB?pid=765738#pid765738
Sorry, just had to break up the monotony of all these posts. 

Back to the misquotes...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-When-do-we-make-the-switch-at-QB?pid=765749#pid765749
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737503#pid737503
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737505#pid737505
And here's another instance, in a long line of instances, of me explaining what i specifically was looking for.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737585#pid737585

And here i am saying that the types of gameS i'm looking for are the one's that elevate QBs in the eyes of commentators and fans. And your reply?...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737895#pid737895
"Single game"??? Who the **** said anything about a single game?

Here's some more of that bullshit. I said "overall great game", you know...where he plays well throughout? Not just in the first half? And you completely butcherd the post and make shit up.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737897#pid737897

I said 'elevate QBs in other's eyes'. You changed it to...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=738147#pid738147

"won't count". Your favorite made up word.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=738346#pid738346

Ok, that's quite enough for one night and it's just posts from the Dalton sub-forum. There's tenfold in JN. You misquote, make up your own words and logic and build up strawmen like you own a damn farm with the worlds biggest cornfield. But after doing that to not only me, but several people on this forum, you turn right around and tell people to stop--or they can't--make(ing) stuff up. 

If you're still confused after all this, seek help because you have a clear pattern of all you've been accused of and i'm not going to continue to waste my time showing you stuff you said. 

I'll just end for now, with this...

This is just me being Nostradamus, as usual. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=738041#pid738041

Dang man . I don't think many people did that much research on anything in their life . I am impressed. I'm awarding you a PHD Dr. Faulk

[OswaldsLegacy]

(11-01-2019, 12:53 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: The Dalton Gang will critique Finley's every move and not even take into account the horrible line and other excuses they constantly crowed about when it came to Andy. The roles will be reversed and the Dalton Gang will become the Whinners they say they hate.It ain't gonna be pretty!!!

Actually, I don't think this is how it works... if anything the Gang or Army as Bfine cause them (us as I am a Dalton fan), we will just say "See it IS the OLine".

The Dalton haters will still have the "Well we just need a good QB" to fall back on.  Finley won't be the answer but that speedy RB that can throw the ball will be just "mark their words".

[OswaldsLegacy]

(11-01-2019, 11:45 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: lol. 

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-How-Andy-Dalton-reads-defense-as-well-as-anybody-in-the-league?pid=780745#pid780745
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=774271#pid774271
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=774553#pid774553
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=774583#pid774583
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=774584#pid774584

Here's a perfectly reasonable post explaining where i stand. One you completely ignore. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=775037#pid775037

And right after that post, you pick this out to reply to. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-0-5-86-9-when-does-the-plug-get-pulled?pid=775050#pid775050

Here's another thorough post spreading the blame around and giving legitimate reasons why a different QB could help the team.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-It-s-time-to-face-the-facts?pid=765324#pid765324

And here's your reply to it. Finding one example, a guy who rips Dalton to shreds all the time...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-It-s-time-to-face-the-facts?pid=767374#pid767374

Here's a poster that realizes i post plenty of positive stuff about Dalton. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Andy-loses-us-another-big-game?pid=761853#pid761853

Here's a post that very succinctly explains the question i was asking before you started making up shit about how i was saying "all that matters" when shooting down your and other's examples.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Andy-loses-us-another-big-game?pid=762607#pid762607

Now back to the misquotes and made up stuff. 

I don't know where the hell you came up with this. Mixon is widely regarded as a better RB than Dalton is a QB. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-When-do-we-make-the-switch-at-QB?pid=765728#pid765728

Here's a perfect post to highlight your hypocrisy. I used raw stats to show that Keenum was playing better than Dalton and you posted to disagree, citing some lesser player being better than Khalil Mack because he had more stats...yet, you argued and mocked me that Dalton had a better game than Brissett had against the Colts because DALTON HAD BETTER RAW STATS! You can't make this stuff up, folks. Well, Fred can...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-When-do-we-make-the-switch-at-QB?pid=765736#pid765736

And here's you going on about that damn Gopher again...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-When-do-we-make-the-switch-at-QB?pid=765738#pid765738
Sorry, just had to break up the monotony of all these posts. 

Back to the misquotes...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-When-do-we-make-the-switch-at-QB?pid=765749#pid765749
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737503#pid737503
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737505#pid737505
And here's another instance, in a long line of instances, of me explaining what i specifically was looking for.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737585#pid737585

And here i am saying that the types of gameS i'm looking for are the one's that elevate QBs in the eyes of commentators and fans. And your reply?...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737895#pid737895
"Single game"??? Who the **** said anything about a single game?

Here's some more of that bullshit. I said "overall great game", you know...where he plays well throughout? Not just in the first half? And you completely butcherd the post and make shit up.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=737897#pid737897

I said 'elevate QBs in other's eyes'. You changed it to...
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=738147#pid738147

"won't count". Your favorite made up word.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=738346#pid738346

Ok, that's quite enough for one night and it's just posts from the Dalton sub-forum. There's tenfold in JN. You misquote, make up your own words and logic and build up strawmen like you own a damn farm with the worlds biggest cornfield. But after doing that to not only me, but several people on this forum, you turn right around and tell people to stop--or they can't--make(ing) stuff up. 

If you're still confused after all this, seek help because you have a clear pattern of all you've been accused of and i'm not going to continue to waste my time showing you stuff you said. 

I'll just end for now, with this...

This is just me being Nostradamus, as usual. 
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Dalton-s-make-or-break-year?pid=738041#pid738041

What'd I miss?

[samhain]

(11-01-2019, 11:16 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: The real possibility, the Bengals are near or at a need for a full rebuild and the sooner they embrace that the better.  How quickly they tackle that and how well they do it we will only know in the next few years (so far it seems to be denial). If Finley somehow shows he can be a quality starting QB then that is just one less piece they need.  If not the rebuild gets even more complicated because right now the best players on this team are entering the years where their age will catch up with them and we have not seen much from many of the younger players.  So having to draft a new QB and placing a team around him will take even longer to get the team back to being competitive.  I'm not saying Finley is going to the answer but it would certainly benefit the Bengals if he somehow did light it up.  Just one less piece to replace in a team full of holes.

There are just too many missing pieces right now.  So many that having a quality QB on the roster if it is Finely, Dalton again or a top QB draft pick the Bengals need to do more at some point to build around that.

Bingo.  This team needs 2 starters on the o-line (3 if you don't count Jonah).  They need a full retooling of the linebacking corps.  They probably could use another young pass rusher.  They need a guy or 2 in the secondary.  The places on the roster without gaping holes have aging players that can't be expected to play in prime form for much longer.

I think they're in for a 3 year process of roster building if they manage to draft well.  Possibly shorter if they are active in free agency, but that's unlikely.  It's going to be a long slog.  I'm okay with a long slog if there's a direction to it. I don't see one right now.

[samhain]

The Finley promotion is a necessary step in evaluating the roster. My expectations aren't overly high. He'd need to be a find of the Brady/Wilson quality to force the team to disregard drafting a quarterback first in April.

I feel like that's where they are going, and it's going to be a tough task for Finley to change their minds.

[TSwigZ]

Unless Finley looks like a perennial MVP candidate in these 8 games I’m for drafting a QB no matter what if we have a shot at the top 2 bc nothing but an ELITE QB can uplift this franchise out of the dumpster and they’ll have to keep failing till they find one but it’s our only answer. We can’t have a guy who’s good but has some key flaws. We did that with AD. This time we need to find the most perfect all around QB we can find and hope he can beat use his skill set. It’s This or we’re going to look at another 30 years without a playoff win

[Bronxbengal]

(11-01-2019, 12:36 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I think the worst outcome would be Finley being up and down the rest of this year but the Bengals thinking Finley can eventually develop into a starter and therefore not bother to take a QB early. To me, Finley has an 8-game tryout to knock it out of the park or a QB is being drafted early.

You can win in this league with an average QB. You can’t win with a horrible line (see the past three years). I don’t understand why there is a line of thought that a top pick for QB will solve all the problems. Get the best o line.


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[reuben.ahmed]

Does civil war among the fans have any affect on the team? I mean, it did only take 23 petition signatures to get Dalton benched, so maybe.

[Catmandude123]

(11-02-2019, 07:35 AM)Bronxbengal Wrote: You can win in this league with an average QB.  You can’t win with a horrible line (see the past three years).  I don’t understand why there is a line of thought that a top pick for QB will solve all the problems.  Get the best o line.


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You can draft In the league with an inept front office but you can't draft o-linemen with the Brown families refusal to hire more scouts. Btw can we draft one first rounder who isn't damaged goods.

[*PhilHos*]

(11-02-2019, 07:47 AM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: Does civil war among the fans have any affect on the team? I mean, it did only take 23 petition signatures to get Dalton benched, so maybe.

It might have an effect on a couple players but it will have absolutely zero effect on Mike Brown. A coupon for a free Frosty at Wendy's has more of an effect on Mike Brown.

[*rfaulk34*]

(11-02-2019, 02:53 AM)OswaldsLegacy Wrote: What'd I miss?

He said in a previous post to that, that i didn't have proof of my claim. 

So i just showed him that i do. 

[*bengalfan74*]

(11-02-2019, 07:35 AM)Bronxbengal Wrote: You can win in this league with an average QB.  You can’t win with a horrible line (see the past three years).  I don’t understand why there is a line of thought that a top pick for QB will solve all the problems.  Get the best o line.


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The only problem with this is MB won't pay for top shelf interior Olinemen past their rookie contract.