Joe Burrow under pressure

[Jhowdy54]

This passed year Joe Burrow was sacked 30 times in 15 games played. That ranked 72nd in division 1. @Alabama he was sacked 5 times and managed to go 31-39 for 375 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs. LSU was shuffling the line week to week and still managed to put up record numbers. He is 100% ready for the NFL. One problem is this past year he was very rarely under center. In the 1st 2 games he was in the shotgun 128 out of 134 plays. Hopefully we adjust our offense to his strengths and not change him to run our offense.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(05-01-2020, 03:52 PM)Jhowdy54 Wrote: This passed year Joe Burrow was sacked 30 times in 15 games played.  That ranked 72nd in division 1.  @Alabama he was sacked 5 times and managed to go 31-39 for 375 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs.  LSU was shuffling the line week to week and still managed to put up record numbers.  He is 100% ready for the NFL.  One problem is this past year he was very rarely under center.  In the 1st 2 games he was in the shotgun 128 out of 134 plays.  Hopefully we adjust our offense to his strengths and not change him to run our offense.

Great post Jhowdy. This is what makes Burrow so special, he was getting hit and sacked constantly and still put up those 
numbers. I heard someone ranked LSU's O-line #1 in the nation which was just crazy. Joe Burrow made that O-line look 
much better than it actually was. I don't think he will have a problem behind our O-line if they keep improving and I highly
doubt they do not improve with Jonah and XSF added after last year.

But yeah, will have to run more Shotgun and adapt to that LSU/Saints system. Still can run it out of the Shotgun.

[Hammerstripes]

(05-01-2020, 03:52 PM)Jhowdy54 Wrote: This passed year Joe Burrow was sacked 30 times in 15 games played.  That ranked 72nd in division 1.  @Alabama he was sacked 5 times and managed to go 31-39 for 375 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs.  LSU was shuffling the line week to week and still managed to put up record numbers.  He is 100% ready for the NFL.  One problem is this past year he was very rarely under center.  In the 1st 2 games he was in the shotgun 128 out of 134 plays.  Hopefully we adjust our offense to his strengths and not change him to run our offense.

I'm not that worried about him being under center.  In 2018 he did it a ton in their old offense.

I have no doubt we will fit the offense to his strengths.

[bengals67]

Am I wrong in thinking Mixon was more effective running from shotgun than when QB was under center?

Thought I heard that but maybe I am wrong and will stand corrected if so.

[Earendil]

(05-01-2020, 04:06 PM)bengals67 Wrote: Am I wrong in thinking Mixon was more effective running from shotgun than when QB was under center?

Thought I heard that but maybe I am wrong and will stand corrected if so.

I thought so too.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(05-01-2020, 04:04 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: I'm not that worried about him being under center.  In 2018 he did it a ton in their old offense.

I have no doubt we will fit the offense to his strengths.

Good to know, haven't watched any of Burrow's 2018 tape.

Still, we all know how much better he was in 2019, run that stuff man.

(05-01-2020, 04:06 PM)bengals67 Wrote: Am I wrong in thinking Mixon was more effective running from shotgun than when QB was under center?

Thought I heard that but maybe I am wrong and will stand corrected if so.

(05-01-2020, 04:19 PM)Earendil Wrote: I thought so too.

Thought the same, I also love running out of the Shotgun with a good QB cause it is unpredictable.

Edwards-Helaire sure had a great season running it out of the Shotgun.

[Hammerstripes]

(05-01-2020, 04:22 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Good to know, haven't watched any of Burrow's 2018 tape.

Still, we all know how much better he was in 2019, run that stuff man.




Thought the same, I also love running out of the Shotgun with a good QB cause it is unpredictable.

Edwards-Helaire sure had a great season running it out of the Shotgun.

You should.  It would ease any of the 1 year wonder concerns.  You can see his talent and how accurate he was back then.  I actually didn't watch too many of the 2019 games after awhile because they were all too good.  I went back and watched a lot of the 2018 and you would think Burrow was God-awful in those games, but he wasnt'

[fredtoast]

(05-01-2020, 04:29 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote:  You can see his talent and how accurate he was back then.  I actually didn't watch too many of the 2019 games after awhile because they were all too good.  I went back and watched a lot of the 2018 and you would think Burrow was God-awful in those games, but he wasnt'

You are experiencing what is called "confirmation bias".  You did not watch the 2018 games until AFTER you were convinced he was the greatest college QB in recent history.  That is why you think he looked good in 2018.

The professional NFL scouts who watched Burrow in real time in 2018 were not impressed at all.  None of them had him ranked higher than a late round prospect. 

[Benton]

(05-01-2020, 05:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The professional NFL scouts who watched Burrow in real time in 2018 were not impressed...

... until 2019.

[fredtoast]

(05-01-2020, 03:52 PM)Jhowdy54 Wrote: This passed year Joe Burrow was sacked 30 times in 15 games played.  That ranked 72nd in division 1.  @Alabama he was sacked 5 times and managed to go 31-39 for 375 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs.  LSU was shuffling the line week to week and still managed to put up record numbers.  He is 100% ready for the NFL.  One problem is this past year he was very rarely under center.  In the 1st 2 games he was in the shotgun 128 out of 134 plays.  Hopefully we adjust our offense to his strengths and not change him to run our offense.

First of all let me say that Joe Burrow looked great when facing pressure in 2019, but the sack stats are a little deceptive.  Just like in the NFL quarterbacks who hold onto the ball longer trying to make plays downfield also get sacked more often.  Considering the number of big plays Burrow made outside the pocket I would say it was worth taking a few more sacks.

The LSU O-line had three players drafted in the first Four rounds and won the Joe Moore Award for the best offensive line in college football.  They were damn good.

[fredtoast]

Being a "one year wonder" does not automatically mean a player will fail in the NFL. Instead it is just a red flag that requires teams to look closer at certain issues. It is fair to classify Burrow as a "one year wonder", but when you look back on the 2019 film I can't see any real big reason to be concerned.

[McC]

(05-01-2020, 05:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You are experiencing what is called "confirmation bias".  You did not watch the 2018 games until AFTER you were convinced he was the greatest college QB in recent history.  That is why you think he looked good in 2018.

The professional NFL scouts who watched Burrow in real time in 2018 were not impressed at all.  None of them had him ranked higher than a late round prospect. 

And this is all totally irrelevant now, isn't it?

[*bfine32*]

I'll say it again. Joe Burrow doesn't like max protect. He only wants 5 guys blocking. He said once he earned respect at LSU he talked them into more 5-man protection. It's why his number jumped so. Of course this may lead to a few more sacks but it also leads to a hell of a lot more big plays.

Coach O (LSU) said he was in a room with Burrow and 8 other lifetime football people and he said after 2 hours of talking it was obvious Joe was the smartest one in the room. Coach O also said: "Do you have anymore of them french fried potatoes.

[TecmoBengals]

(05-01-2020, 06:42 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'll say it again. Joe Burrow doesn't like max protect. He only wants 5 guys blocking. He said once he earned respect at LSU he talked them into more 5-man protection. It's why his number jumped so. Of course this may lead to a few more sacks but it also leads to a hell of a lot more big plays.

Coach O (LSU) said he was in a room with Burrow and 8 other lifetime football people and he said after 2 hours of talking it was obvious Joe was the smartest one in the room. Coach O also said: "Do you have anymore of them french fried potatoes.

It's definitely worth stating he likes the 5 man protection.  An article summarized it:

Quote:Statistically, it shows that when you're in five-man protection, five-man protections give up less sacks… A lot of people think when you get a lot of pressure, you need to bring the box in and bring in max protections, seven-man protections. But I think when you actually go five-man protection, you actually get the ball out faster. You limit what defenses can do.” – Joe Brady via lsusports.net

The link to the full article:

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-how-joe-burrow-and-the-lsu-offense-went-from-unknown-to-unstoppable

[Kingslayer]

(05-01-2020, 05:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You are experiencing what is called "confirmation bias".  You did not watch the 2018 games until AFTER you were convinced he was the greatest college QB in recent history.  That is why you think he looked good in 2018.

The professional NFL scouts who watched Burrow in real time in 2018 were not impressed at all.  None of them had him ranked higher than a late round prospect. 

I think he performed well in 2018 considering he missed 15 spring practices with LSU and still started

[grampahol]

At this point what he did at LSU has become irrelevant. Now he's going to be playing against professional football players and not college kids who may or may not make it to the pros. Now he's got to prove he can do it all at the highest level. We'll find out real quick if he's got it or not. I suspect he'll do just fine, but I don't expect he'll walk right in and take the entire league by storm from the first game onwards. I hope he's able to do just that, but I expect a bit of getting used to the level of play by the pro teams as opposed to college.  

[Whatever]

(05-01-2020, 05:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: First of all let me say that Joe Burrow looked great when facing pressure in 2019, but the sack stats are a little deceptive.  Just like in the NFL quarterbacks who hold onto the ball longer trying to make plays downfield also get sacked more often.  Considering the number of big plays Burrow made outside the pocket I would say it was worth taking a few more sacks.

The LSU O-line had three players drafted in the first Four rounds and won the Joe Moore Award for the best offensive line in college football.  They were damn good.

The Joe Moore award isn't for the best OL in football.

"The Joe Moore Award for the Most Outstanding Offensive Line Unit will annually recognize the toughest, most physical offensive line in the country, making it the only major college football award to honor a unit or group."


The LSU OL was mostly slow footed in line maulers that were good in the run game, but weren't good in pass pro.  Case in point, LSU had 7 players drafted before any of their OL got picked.  TE was literally the only non-specialist position group that LSU didn't have a player picked from before OL.  

[Nicomo Cosca]

(05-01-2020, 10:47 PM)Whatever Wrote: The Joe Moore award isn't for the best OL in football.

"The Joe Moore Award for the Most Outstanding Offensive Line Unit will annually recognize the toughest, most physical offensive line in the country, making it the only major college football award to honor a unit or group."


The LSU OL was mostly slow footed in line maulers that were good in the run game, but weren't good in pass pro.  Case in point, LSU had 7 players drafted before any of their OL got picked.  TE was literally the only non-specialist position group that LSU didn't have a player picked from before OL.  

Yeah, they were far from the best OL in the country. Every game I watched Burrow was pressured A TON.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(05-01-2020, 04:29 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: You should.  It would ease any of the 1 year wonder concerns.  You can see his talent and how accurate he was back then.  I actually didn't watch too many of the 2019 games after awhile because they were all too good.  I went back and watched a lot of the 2018 and you would think Burrow was God-awful in those games, but he wasnt'

I will Hammerstripes. That is the thing all the people (not many) that were hating on Burrow said he sucked in 2018.

Sometimes the best thing to do is watch the bad tape if the good tape is just so damn good.

(05-01-2020, 10:47 PM)Whatever Wrote: The Joe Moore award isn't for the best OL in football.

"The Joe Moore Award for the Most Outstanding Offensive Line Unit will annually recognize the toughest, most physical offensive line in the country, making it the only major college football award to honor a unit or group."


The LSU OL was mostly slow footed in line maulers that were good in the run game, but weren't good in pass pro.  Case in point, LSU had 7 players drafted before any of their OL got picked.  TE was literally the only non-specialist position group that LSU didn't have a player picked from before OL.  

Makes more sense to me now, I thought I saw terrible pass blocking and good run blocking with LSU last season.

(05-01-2020, 11:16 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Yeah, they were far from the best OL in the country. Every game I watched Burrow was pressured A TON.

And getting hit all the time, tough dude.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(05-01-2020, 11:16 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Yeah, they were far from the best OL in the country. Every game I watched Burrow was pressured A TON.

Correct.

If you can manipulate Ds, it doesn't matter what the protection is.

Hence, Peyton Manning playing at a super high-level and winnings SBs, with friggin' Charlie Johnson at LT.

I like our chances going forward