Posts: 7,775
Threads: 854
Reputation:
127786
Joined: May 2015
Location: Ohio
Posts: 11,615
Threads: 131
Reputation:
59067
Joined: May 2015
(10-08-2020, 02:28 PM)Bengalholic Wrote:
I'm all for it. Carl Lawson is playing at a really high level right now and if he proves himself he and Sam Hubbard are the future. Dunlap almost was traded last year from what I was told, I could see a team like Dallas or Seattle looking to add him before the deadline.
Posts: 1,374
Threads: 19
Reputation:
7855
Joined: Nov 2015
But but... everyone says he’s a PFF superstar when you criticize Dunlap and PFF is always right !
Posts: 11,615
Threads: 131
Reputation:
59067
Joined: May 2015
(10-08-2020, 02:30 PM)lone bengal Wrote: But but... everyone says he’s a PFF superstar when you criticize Dunlap and PFF is always right !
He is a 55 on PFF, not sure who is saying he is a superstar.
Posts: 2,823
Threads: 20
Reputation:
19192
Joined: Nov 2017
Dunlap has been a very good player for us for a long time, but he is getting older and Lawson seems to be playing at a higher level this year. This could end up being better for both of them and the entire defense. Coming in with fresh legs as primarily a pass rusher might actually help him. He aint no spring chicken at this point. I'm sure its frustrating, but this is the NFL. Youth eventually wins out over the older vets.
Posts: 1,689
Threads: 113
Reputation:
2790
Joined: May 2015
Bengals don’t know how to demote vets.
Posts: 14,632
Threads: 2,114
Reputation:
82632
Joined: May 2015
you don't put in the effort at practice and it comes back to bite you. Carlos is one of the best when he wants to be. But, he has always been inconsistant
Winning makes believers of us all
Posts: 8,772
Threads: 219
Reputation:
29820
Joined: May 2015
Location: Fredericksburg Virginia
He lead the team in tackles against Philly and was coming off a 70 performance against the Jaguars. While Lawson is better than him at this point I see no point in humiliating Dunlap by publicly benching him and honestly he still going to be playing a ton still; So what was the point in doing so?
All they had to do was tell Him that they are going to limit his snaps and this wouldn't be a big deal at all.
Posts: 2,823
Threads: 20
Reputation:
19192
Joined: Nov 2017
(10-08-2020, 02:31 PM)Au165 Wrote: He is a 55 on PFF, not sure who is saying he is a superstar.
And Lawson is like 70+ pff isnt he?
I love Carlos but its time to do something different. Maybe this lights a fire under his butt.
Posts: 14,632
Threads: 2,114
Reputation:
82632
Joined: May 2015
(10-08-2020, 02:40 PM)J24 Wrote: He lead the team in tackles against Philly and was coming off a 70 performance against the Jaguars. While Lawson is better than him at this point I see no point in humiliating Dunlap by publicly benching him and honestly he still going to be playing a ton still; So what was the point in doing so?
All they had to do was tell Him that they are going to limit his snaps and this wouldn't be a big deal at all.
we've only heard one side of the story. Maybe, they've been warning him all along and this is the culmination of it
Winning makes believers of us all
Posts: 6,545
Threads: 88
Reputation:
45423
Joined: Apr 2017
(10-08-2020, 02:35 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: Bengals don’t know how to demote vets.
Maybe Carlos is aware now that Lawson and Hubbard are out performing him he will kick it up and stop loafing. Not sure it's the Bengals job to hold his hand or any other vets for that matter.
Posts: 2,114
Threads: 20
Reputation:
6805
Joined: May 2015
Dunlap has been hot garbage to invisible at best this year. Maybe he should stop crying and try to play better.
Posts: 11,615
Threads: 131
Reputation:
59067
Joined: May 2015
So one thought I had, I saw Dunlap say "They got a great gameplan for stopping the run this week, I just wish I was part of it". I wonder with Geno back (potentially) if we could see a more tradiional 3-4 look standing Hubbard and Lawson up to play more of an outside contain on Jackson with Covington/Rader/Geno playing as the down linemen? To me the timing of this seems interesting coming off the team performance last week, which makes me wonder if it is schematical as much as performance. He mentions he will still be a 3rd down rusher, which is most likely from a more traditional four man front.
Posts: 1,374
Threads: 19
Reputation:
7855
Joined: Nov 2015
(10-08-2020, 02:31 PM)Au165 Wrote: He is a 55 on PFF, not sure who is saying he is a superstar.
When some fans criticized him for not playing well some people referred to his great PFF ratings from last season saying he was one of our best defensive players. Not saying he’s a bad player but he’s been somewhat overrated in my opinion. Had some big games against some bad teams but dosen’t seem to make big plays when we need him too. Big picture he’s not part of the future of this team long term.
Posts: 13,632
Threads: 365
Reputation:
45848
Joined: May 2015
They should trade him (along with Green, and Atkins), but they won't because the FO really doesn't know how to stockpile picks like a team who "builds through the draft". This won't end well. But maybe it's a sign of the vets not returning next season (and them getting nothing for them).
![[Image: 4CV0TeR.png]](https://i.imgur.com/4CV0TeR.png)
Quote:"Success doesn’t mean every single move they make is good" ~ Anonymous
"Let not the dumb have to educate" ~ jj22
1
Posts: 4,361
Threads: 26
Reputation:
19347
Joined: May 2015
Location: Lake Placid, NY
I like the move, but I don’t like how they handled it. Zac has been preaching the importance of communication since the day he was hired. Much like they mishandled benching Andy last year, I don’t see very effective communication happening.
Posts: 18,636
Threads: 462
Reputation:
118457
Joined: May 2015
Location: Nashville, TN
As much as I've liked Dunlap over the years, I'm happy another DE has done enough to even be considered as the starter.
We should want young guys pushing these old vets, especially if the vet is under-performing.
For too many seasons we've seen the team having to rely on Dunlap and Atkins to get any kind of production. Michael Johnson too back before he went to TB.
Think of all the DL draft picks they made since Atkins/Dunlap/MJ excluding Lawson and Hubbard:
- Moch (bad)
- Still (bad)
- Thompson (meh at best)
- Hunt (bad)
- Clarke (bad)
- Hardison (bad)
- Billings (solid NT but not a great pass rusher, replaced with Reader)
- Willis (bad)
- Glasgow (meh)
- Andrew Brown (we'll see, but not there yet)
- Wren (we'll see, but not there yet)
- Kareem (we'll see)
Zac Taylor 2019-2020: 6 total wins
Zac Taylor 2021-2022: Double-digit wins each season, plus 5 postseason wins
Zac Taylor 2023: 9 wins despite losing Burrow half the season
Zac Taylor 2024: Started 1-4. If he can turn this into a playoff appearance, it will be impressive.
Sorry for Party Rocking!
Posts: 3,386
Threads: 5
Reputation:
9289
Joined: Dec 2015
When I first read the headline of this thread I thought Carlos had injured himself somehow. I guess if he's not getting the job done it's time to grab some bench and maybe start others in his place. As mentioned above maybe it will light a fire in him to play better but it could be a matter of "father time" catching up with him.
Posts: 7,775
Threads: 854
Reputation:
127786
Joined: May 2015
Location: Ohio
Posts: 953
Threads: 63
Reputation:
3575
Joined: Sep 2015
Starter or not, you're still going to see a ton of reps as a defensive lineman on most NFL teams. To say he's not part of the gameplan seems a little misleading. I'm a Dunlap fan, and still am, but you have to imagine that this is probably his last year in stripes.
|
![[Image: 85d8232ebbf088d606250ddec1641e7b.jpg]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/85/d8/23/85d8232ebbf088d606250ddec1641e7b.jpg)
