Reds July 2023 thread

[StoneTheCrow]

Man, are the umps just THAT awful this year? I swear the Reds are getting boned in the zone game after game.

[Nicomo Cosca]

Reds hardest hit balls in 2023. pic.twitter.com/lSEZkLkIuE

— JJ Cooper (@jjcoop36) July 25, 2023

Just nuts.

[cinci4life]

Thanks Brewers for the horrible baserunning.

[Nicomo Cosca]

Ashcraft dealing.

[cinci4life]

This strike zone is just comical now.

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

Even if the Reds don't score in the 6th, I'd let Ashcraft stay in for at least two batters if the first batter doesn't foul off a bunch of pitches. He's still pretty strong even with him sitting at 95 pitches.

[cinci4life]

Just don't get it. Ashcraft has hit the bottom of the zone a handful of times and they've been called balls. Meanwhile our batters take pitches clearly below the strike zone and are called strikes.

[cinci4life]

Cruz got big time lucky on that one.

[cinci4life]

That's a strike against us all game but here it's ball 4. Total bs.

[cinci4life]

Un freakin real.

[Nicomo Cosca]

I’m so sick of losing to these assholes.

[cinci4life]

(07-25-2023, 12:12 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I’m so sick of losing to these assholes.

Also so sick of there being 2 blatantly obvious different strike zones for each team that both favor the Brewers every time we play them.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(07-24-2023, 09:57 PM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: Man, are the umps just THAT awful this year? I swear the Reds are getting boned in the zone game after game.

About calls 10 against the Reds, 5 against the Brewers if you look through the pitch charts.

They promoted 10 umpires to the majors this year due to retirements, which was the most since 1999 (they promoted 5 in 2022). They also then put more responsibility onto the umpire's plate than before. Now they need to reset the pitch clock, keep track of the clock for the batter to be ready and making eye contact in time, for the pitcher to start their motion in time, how many throw-overs they have made, if they have used their 1 timeout or not, how many mount visits the catchers/coaches have made in the game and in the inning, making sure the fielders are in legal non-shifted positions, etc... on top of their normal duties. 

[*bengalfan74*]

(07-25-2023, 12:59 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: About calls 10 against the Reds, 5 against the Brewers if you look through the pitch charts.

They promoted 10 umpires to the majors this year due to retirements, which was the most since 1999 (they promoted 5 in 2022). They also then put more responsibility onto the umpire's plate than before. Now they need to reset the pitch clock, keep track of the clock for the batter to be ready and making eye contact in time, for the pitcher to start their motion in time, how many throw-overs they have made, if they have used their 1 timeout or not, how many mount visits the catchers/coaches have made in the game and in the inning, making sure the fielders are in legal non-shifted positions, etc... on top of their normal duties. 

What they need to do is bite the bullet and go to the digital/computer or whatever strike zone. Still let the umpire call it, it gets prompted in his ear or whatever.

Either that or take the white box off the broadcast screen.

[*bengalfan74*]

(07-25-2023, 12:12 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I’m so sick of losing to these assholes.

It's the Brewers curse or something?

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(07-25-2023, 09:05 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: What they need to do is bite the bullet and go to the digital/computer or whatever strike zone. Still let the umpire call it, it gets prompted in his ear or whatever.

Either that or take the white box off the broadcast screen.

This is actually probably the answer. Not realistic to hold humans to machine standards of precision and it's likely a case where a little bit of ignorance would be better for the general fan. The box isn't even official, as I am pretty sure it doesn't adjust for camera angle or batter height... but they are probably too far now to remove it, what with all the real-time pitch trackers online and such.

[CJD]

(07-25-2023, 09:05 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: What they need to do is bite the bullet and go to the digital/computer or whatever strike zone. Still let the umpire call it, it gets prompted in his ear or whatever.

Either that or take the white box off the broadcast screen.

I don't even think going to full robo-ump is necessary. They can keep the umpire calling balls and strikes. Just implement a challenge system. If a pitch is CLEARLY incorrectly called, a coach can challenge the call and have them go to the robo-ump. It should take literally seconds, so it wouldn't interrupt the game that much and you could even limit it to 3 times per game or something.

The human umpires are not so bad that they're missing 5+ calls a game with regularity. It's just when they miss, it is egregious and there's nothing you can do about it.

Yesterday, the Reds would have challenged strike 3 on Benson, it would have been overturned and then we would have been leading 3-2 going into the 9th. 

The human umpires have plenty to keep track of nowadays with all the pitch clock and time out/pick off restrictions so I wouldn't be opposed to fully taking the strikes/balls off their plate but this would be a half measure that would repair 99% of the problems without completing overturning the apple cart.

[*bengalfan74*]

(07-25-2023, 12:06 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I don't even think going to full robo-ump is necessary. They can keep the umpire calling balls and strikes. Just implement a challenge system. If a pitch is CLEARLY incorrectly called, a coach can challenge the call and have them go to the robo-ump. It should take literally seconds, so it wouldn't interrupt the game that much and you could even limit it to 3 times per game or something.

The human umpires are not so bad that they're missing 5+ calls a game with regularity. It's just when they miss, it is egregious and there's nothing you can do about it.

Yesterday, the Reds would have challenged strike 3 on Benson, it would have been overturned and then we would have been leading 3-2 going into the 9th. 

The human umpires have plenty to keep track of nowadays with all the pitch clock and time out/pick off restrictions so I wouldn't be opposed to fully taking the strikes/balls off their plate but this would be a half measure that would repair 99% of the problems without completing overturning the apple cart.

I could get onboard with that.

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-25-2023, 12:12 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I’m so sick of losing to these assholes.

Yeah. I'm about tired of them like i was the Steelers. 

[*bengalfan74*]

(07-25-2023, 01:57 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Yeah. I'm about tired of them like i was the Steelers. 

I'm not quite to the hate level of the Steelers. But it's getting there