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(09-11-2024, 08:31 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: They did trade him when he refused to play on the tag. Adams was a lot older than Chase so not sure that is apples to apples. He was 28 or 29 and wanting a 3rd contract.
Isn't Chase like 24 or so?
I stand by my statement of the Bengals are pretty good at drafting WRs. Chad Johnson, AJ Green, Tee Higgins, Jamarr Chase. Yes, there were a couple more along the way that they allowed to move on to other teams, but my point still stands. The Bengals don't need to stress over losing a WR. They need to focus on continuing to build OL and defense.
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(09-11-2024, 01:25 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: That sounds like a more than fair offer to Chase. He shouldnt get as much as Lamb and certainly not Jefferson but there he is at a 4 year 140 million extension. That's a good offer by the Bengals.
30 million being all that’s guaranteed up front is not even close to fair.
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(09-11-2024, 08:47 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: 30 million being all that’s guaranteed up front is not even close to fair.
Plus the 5 for this season and 22 for next season. So really 55+ million gtd. That is likely the sum of the next two years plus anticipated franchise tag.
I think 45 or so would have been fair, seeing as he still has multiple years.. like brown, Moore and waddle.
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(09-11-2024, 08:47 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: 30 million being all that’s guaranteed up front is not even close to fair.
I saw this on X earlier and there is a chance that it is wrong.
Guaranteed at signing and singing bonus are NOT the same thing. I think fans are conflating the two.
No doubt they pushed back some guarantee money but this could be incorrect.
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(09-11-2024, 07:49 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: We don't need a HOF caliber player, just one who wants to complete his current contract before wanting to be paid more than anyone else at his position.
lol… any player worth a darn is going to want to be paid before completion of their contract. This is a business. If we want people that are not interested in extensions you will have a WR room full of Irwin’s. That won’t get it done.
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If the Bengals signed Chase a year earlier than the rest of the elite WRs, why wouldn't they push the guaranteed back?
You can sign now and we'll push the guaranteed down the road a couple of years
You can sign in a couple of years and get the guaranteed when you sign.
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(09-11-2024, 08:14 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The Packers helped Devonte Adams find a new home, didn't they?
So? There still looking for a true #1 WR in Green Bay!
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So with the guaranteed money that’s what he gets if he were cut, injured, has to retire etc I take it. If he plays his contract out he gets the full amount anyway I take it?
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(09-11-2024, 09:20 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If the Bengals signed Chase a year earlier than the rest of the elite WRs, why wouldn't they push the guaranteed back?
You can sign now and we'll push the guaranteed down the road a couple of years
You can sign in a couple of years and get the guaranteed when you sign.
Don't try and justify it. The Bengals are a bad FO it's that simple. Players on this team will see this and players around the league will see this.
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(09-11-2024, 09:56 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Don't try and justify it. The Bengals are a bad FO it's that simple. Players on this team will see this and players around the league will see this.
?? The past 10 to 15 yrs., we have signed many of top players to 2nd contracts, and are paying FA more and offered Chase i belive the highest contract to a WR, I think you trying u trying to rewrite a narrative not there
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It's the reason we always had lean years in FA in regards to signing our own and why we had to sell naming rights for Burrow now they are trying to come up with the additional money for Chase especially if he balls out he is going to want even more than he is asking for now. Bengals might get to the point 2 seasons from now where he refuses to play on a 1 year franchise tag and if it gets to that point Bengals have only themselves to blame
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It is very naive to think Chase would leak an offer knowing if it was true, he likely no longer has Burrow his friend and elite QB throwing to him. He could become a Panther and have young throwing to him very quickly.
I don't believe any speculation about his offer. The bottom line is Chase is the one who said they were close and did. not disclose the offer. They would not be close if it was a low-ball garbage offer.
As for trading him ala what KC did with Hill, he worked for KC so if given a boatload of picks in 2025 by trading him prior the draft, it is not a horrible solution.
He is one player and one player other than QB does not win you 4 or 5 games a year.
In the end, I like him and hope they work it out, if not certainly the end of the world.
2024 may go on record as one of most underperforming teams in Bengal history. Bengal's FO has major work to do on defensive side of the ball. I say tag and trade Tee Higgins in 2025 to start with the rebuild.
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(09-11-2024, 08:47 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: 30 million being all that’s guaranteed up front is not even close to fair.
What you posted says "90 million guaranteed" not 30 million guaranteed. That is higher than Jefferson. Or is the "up front" what makes it the 30 million and the 90 million is over the length of the contract. But it's still "90 million guaranteed" at signing, correct? The Jefferson deal says "88 million guaranteed at signing."
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(09-13-2024, 10:00 AM)Nepa Wrote: What you posted says "90 million guaranteed" not 30 million guaranteed. That is higher than Jefferson. Or is the "up front" what makes it the 30 million and the 90 million is over the length of the contract. But it's still "90 million guaranteed" at signing, correct? The Jefferson deal says "88 million guaranteed at signing."
He gets the 30 million as a signing bonus and the rest of the guarantees wouldn't kick in until the 2027 nfl season. So he could be cut before that and lose all that money.
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When you look at what's actually guaranteed, we lowballed the shit out of him. We're so far off from what other receivers are getting that it's beginning to look like we're going to lose Chase unless Chase concedes (no reason for him to do this) or if the Bengals find a way to make it happen.
We let bates, Higgins, and Reader walk. All of these dudes played big roles in our Super Bowl run. There's no reason it should be this damn hard.
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(09-11-2024, 09:11 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Plus the 5 for this season and 22 for next season. So really 55+ million gtd. That is likely the sum of the next two years plus anticipated franchise tag.
I think 45 or so would have been fair, seeing as he still has multiple years.. like brown, Moore and waddle.
Well, that's an apples to oranges comparison unless you're also adding in the guaranteed money still left in all the other guys' previous contracts.
Like, JJ is well over $100 mil guaranteed if you factor in his 5th year option.
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(09-13-2024, 10:14 AM)J24 Wrote: He gets the 30 million as a signing bonus and the rest of the guarantees wouldn't kick in until the 2027 nfl season. So he could be cut before that and lose all that money.
Again, I do not see how this can be accurate.
His signing bonus would have been 30M.
This year's salary is guaranteed.
Next year's salary is guaranteed.
Thus is it may have looked like this:
2024: 30M and 4.8M salary: Guaranteed at signing. 34.8 total guaranteed
2025: 21.8M salary: Guaranteed at signing. 66.6 total guaranteed
2026: ?
2027: Roster bonus. Guaranteed but not at signing. 33.3M balance of remaining guarantees to be paid in 2027 or divided over 2027, 28, and 29
2028: Roster bonus?. Guaranteed but not at signing.
2029: Roster bonus?. Guaranteed but not at signing.
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(09-13-2024, 11:20 AM)Whatever Wrote: Well, that's an apples to oranges comparison unless you're also adding in the guaranteed money still left in all the other guys' previous contracts.
Like, JJ is well over $100 mil guaranteed if you factor in his 5th year option.
I would absolutely think the Bengals would count the final year of the rookie deal and the 5th year option as these are guaranteed from Day 1 but do not require cash escrow. Just my opinion.
edit: The Vikings restructured Jefferson's 5th year deal down to $1.1M, likely for cap reasons.
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(09-11-2024, 09:56 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Don't try and justify it. The Bengals are a bad FO it's that simple. Players on this team will see this and players around the league will see this.
The Bengals are not a bad FO folks are just mad. Up until this past Sunday they had the highest paid player in the NFL. I cannot believe I've had to say this over the last 900 pages, but NOBODY on this board knows what JaMarr is asking for or what the Bengals are offering. All we have is JaMarr saying they they are/were close. Oh, and he didn't ask for an extension.
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(09-13-2024, 10:00 AM)Nepa Wrote: What you posted says "90 million guaranteed" not 30 million guaranteed. That is higher than Jefferson. Or is the "up front" what makes it the 30 million and the 90 million is over the length of the contract. But it's still "90 million guaranteed" at signing, correct? The Jefferson deal says "88 million guaranteed at signing."
"Guaranteed" and "Guaranteed at Signing" are very different.
If the Bengals proposal had, say, a $30 mil roster bonus in 2027, that counts as "Guaranteed". However, if they cut him in 2026, he never gets that money, hence it isn't "Guaranteed at Signing".
Plus, Nicomo PST was comparing apples to apples, as it was how much each was guaranteed at signing.
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