Notes From The Game

[Southpaw Frerotte]

Guess no news is good news regarding Burrows wrist?

[Soonerpeace]

(09-08-2024, 05:56 PM)Housh Wrote: If checkdown Joe made an appearance i guarantee it was because WRs weren’t getting open. Burrow is not a conservative QB at all. He’s not afraid to throw a ball



We may wanna ask if Burrow was hurt in any way, because he did seem to be getting to that checkdown quickly.

Joe:
What was the reason for the lack of deep shots in this game?
"They were taking it away. They did a good job. They had a good plan. I was just taking what they gave me. We will watch the tape
and see if we had some other opportunities to get the ball down the field and figure that out."

[Timanky12]

Bengals team was lethargic, uninspired, unmotivated, no energy, on both sides of the ball. The offense was pathetic, and so vanilla, it looked like peewee football. How many passes did Burrow attempt within 5 yards of line of scrimmage, like 20? Defense still can’t tackle, this has been going on for years.

[XsandOs]

(09-08-2024, 09:38 PM)R3stangs Wrote: Didn’t we have months to prep too? How does that give them an advantage over us?

Fair enough. wrinkles aside, NE knew what to prepare for; whereas, did anyone know what Van Pelt would scheme? In the amount of time since schedule release, this is the game they prepared for and circled, as the opener for the new regime. This was not a regular install Wednesday, practice Thursday and walk-through Friday.  


There have been Team who upset heavy favorites in the first game of the season and then come back to earth. In 2001 we beat NE in the first game, but finished 6-10. They won the SB.  

[Timanky12]

(09-08-2024, 09:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I listened to the 2nd half on WLW. It seemed a big issue was being unable to finish in the backfield. Laps made his "oh-ah" sound several times and then mentioned who missed the sack TFL.

This is what the Team had to deal with today as possible contributors to not being "in rhythm":

A new OC

A new RT

A #1 WR who did nothing in the off-season with the team

3 of our top 4 draft picks out w/ injury and the other one on the side of a milk carton

#2 WR missing due to injury

New 2nd and 3rd WRs

New TE

New RB

A QB who missed the last half of last year


Maybe we can wait until game 2 before we fire everyone and look forward to 2025

Another reason why starters should have played in the preseason. They are out of sync and not ready to play. Looked like preseason all over again.

[Timanky12]

(09-08-2024, 10:15 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Fair enough. wrinkles aside, NE knew what to prepare for; whereas, did anyone know what Van Pelt would scheme? In the amount of time since schedule release, this is the game they prepared for and circled, as the opener for the new regime. This was not a regular install Wednesday, practice Thursday and walk-through Friday.  


There have been Team who upset heavy favorites in the first game of the season and then come back to earth. In 2001 we beat NE in the first game, but finished 6-10. They won the SB.  

Well that won’t be us winning the SB this year. 

[XsandOs]

(09-08-2024, 10:18 PM)Timanky12 Wrote: Well that won’t be us winning the SB this year. 

Lets hope you are wrong, my friend. 

[samhain]

I was at the game.  I could be wrong, but it seemed like Cappa got his ass handed to him a lot, especially early.  He had some rough ones last year as well.  He may be experiencing a decline.  

Overall, it's early.  It was. bad showing for the offense, but that's become pretty customary around here.  It's bleak, but not quite grounds for funeral arrangements.  

I still despise the lack of effective run game.  

I'm also perpetually asking what the actual offensive gameplan is.

[2MinutesHate]

(09-08-2024, 09:29 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Mixon would have rushed for 43 yards if he was here today.

It's not the players in some cases...

Absolutely.  This team hasn't ran the ball well since Dillon.

[WeezyBengal]

(09-08-2024, 10:04 PM)Joelist Wrote: Burrow was way off today. Indecisive and apparently he was the one constantly checking to wimpy plays. But with that said, the entire design of the offense is dumb. It's WAY too passive, too many routes are too close to the LOS which lets the defense crowd the box, way out of balance run versus pass and way out of balance shotgun versus under center. It's easy to defense because the scheme does literally nothing to make the defense defend the whole field. Only 16 rushes to 29 passes? No RPO concepts? Roughly 90% shotgun?

At some point Zac has to just overrule Burrow if he is audibling to this garbage and force him to play under center so the line can actually block down - the new times we did that it was effective.

Defensively we knew we'd have issues with the loss of Jenkins and Jackson. We should have brought up Rogers instead of who we did and run the defense in more of a 4-3 look with Njongmeta in the middle. That would have given us more strength inside.

They have a week to fix it all because losing to the Chiefs would make us 0-2 in the AFC and without vitally need tiebreakers.

 

Burrow is a slow starter. It's a thing. It's happened every year he's been in the league. He"I'll be playing at an MVP level by week 4. 

[CottonHill]

(09-08-2024, 10:16 PM)Timanky12 Wrote: Another reason why starters should have played in the preseason. They are out of sync and not ready to play. Looked like preseason all over again.

100%. You e got to be more prepared than this in the NFL. We can’t at shocked they weren’t ready because the starters played what, one series in the preseason? After Burtow being hurt and showing up absolutely everywhere except working with teammates the last two offseason. You’re getting paid 55 mill a year, at least act like you care.
We downgraded talent wise at RB and DT, that showed up. Not surprised.
Especially not surprised Mims is hurt, get used to that.
I’ve said multiple times and will say it again, we have to get more athletic one the defensive front and linebacker positions.
There’s some deeper issues that I’m hoping we can patch for a run this year, but if not then we need to shuffle the deck rebuild on the go. Get big value for a team that can pay Chase, then build a running game to help Burrow because he’s not Allen or Mahones. He needs a lot more help

[Housh]

(09-08-2024, 10:04 PM)Joelist Wrote: Burrow was way off today. Indecisive and apparently he was the one constantly checking to wimpy plays. But with that said, the entire design of the offense is dumb. It's WAY too passive, too many routes are too close to the LOS which lets the defense crowd the box, way out of balance run versus pass and way out of balance shotgun versus under center. It's easy to defense because the scheme does literally nothing to make the defense defend the whole field. Only 16 rushes to 29 passes? No RPO concepts? Roughly 90% shotgun?

At some point Zac has to just overrule Burrow if he is audibling to this garbage and force him to play under center so the line can actually block down - the new times we did that it was effective.

Defensively we knew we'd have issues with the loss of Jenkins and Jackson. We should have brought up Rogers instead of who we did and run the defense in more of a 4-3 look with Njongmeta in the middle. That would have given us more strength inside.

They have a week to fix it all because losing to the Chiefs would make us 0-2 in the AFC and without vitally need tiebreakers.

The offense seems too “smart guy” to me


Like “oh if we do 3 hitches then this many guys will be within 10 yards and then the remaining route can be a corner that does x, y, and Z.

I think that technical stuff has worked before so we’re afraid to move away from it but at what point is the game about getting a 1 v 1 you like and attacking it?

Honestly Chase should be targeted 20 times a game with how poor our team is outside of Burrow and Chase. It’s almost like passing to Jamarr 2x in a row is impossible or some shit. Chase should have way more career 12 reception plus games. I keep waiting for our FO to figure out that if the offense has Irwin getting as many targets as Chase then that means the gameplan was trash. I appreciate the stats about how many different guys Burrow throws to but who gives a damn if you are losing?

[*ochocincos*]

(09-08-2024, 05:31 PM)Nately120 Wrote: We lost to a CFL team. End thread.

Patriots, going into the season, are one of the worst teams the Bengals have on their schedule.
This was one that should have been an easy win.

I don't really care that Higgins was out, Chase didn't practice, the starting offense hardly played in the preseason, etc.
It's the Bengals' responsibility to come prepared to a game, and the offense flat out didn't.
Turnovers were a big part but this should have been a multi-TD win.
Pats were 4-13 last year and have pretty much no passing offense to speak of.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(09-08-2024, 10:28 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote:  

Burrow is a slow starter. It's a thing. It's happened every year he's been in the league. He"I'll be playing at an MVP level by week 4. 

It’s not just him though. It’s the entire team under Zac. Guys fumbling, missing tackles, they are never ready to start the season.

[CottonHill]

Our RB and TE rooms are among the bottom 5 in the league. One of the most important position in the game, DT, we are abysmal as well. We have problem with injuries, what does the FO do, draft two of the most injury prone guys in the draft. Just bad roster management.

[*ochocincos*]

(09-08-2024, 10:32 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: It’s not just him though. It’s the entire team under Zac. Guys fumbling, missing tackles, they are never ready to start the season.

Maybe...I dunno...the starters should have played more than 1-2 series in the entire preseason to help them get more in sync.
I'm sure I am blowing that factor out of proportion to some degree, but man it felt like they were completely out of sync and rusty.

[007BengalsFan]

(09-08-2024, 10:24 PM)samhain Wrote: I was at the game.  I could be wrong, but it seemed like Cappa got his ass handed to him a lot, especially early.  He had some rough ones last year as well.  He may be experiencing a decline.  

Overall, it's early.  It was. bad showing for the offense, but that's become pretty customary around here.  It's bleak, but not quite grounds for funeral arrangements.  

I still despise the lack of effective run game.  

I'm also perpetually asking what the actual offensive gameplan is.

I dont think any interior linemen played well.  Karras might be a great off field individual and everybody loves his personality but as a center, he is mediocre.  Not horrible but not great either.  Volson is typical Volson.  The middle of the line is causing issues.

As far as lack of running game, I have been telling people the last couple of years it wasn't just Mixon's fault.  The O line has done a bad job opening up holes for the running backs.   At what point do we hold Pollack and the offensive line responsible?  or are we going to keep blaming every running back that comes along as the problem?  Joe Mixon didnt have a problem running today behind the Texans offensive line.  It wouldnt surprise me if he had a career year.

[NUGDUKWE]

(09-08-2024, 10:48 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: I dont think any interior linemen played well.  Karras might be a great off field individual and everybody loves his personality but as a center, he is mediocre.  Not horrible but not great either.  Volson is typical Volson.  The middle of the line is causing issues.

As far as lack of running game, I have been telling people the last couple of years it wasn't just Mixon's fault.  The O line has done a bad job opening up holes for the running backs.   At what point do we hold Pollack and the offensive line responsible?  or are we going to keep blaming every running back that comes along as the problem?  Joe Mixon didnt have a problem running today behind the Texans offensive line.  It wouldnt surprise me if he had a career year.

If the Bengals RB duo gets 17 touches at 4.9 per in every game this year, they'll combine for 289 touches for 1,416 yards.

Now, that rate can go up a bit, but they only had 48 total offensive snaps today.

— Goodberry (@JoeGoodberry) September 9, 2024

 

[Nicomo Cosca]

The OL was fine. Turnovers, and failure to stop the run is why they lost.

I know the receivers weren’t getting open, but Joe was also sped up way too much. Can’t keep treating week 1 like a preseason game. Especially coming back from an injury.

Per NextGenStats, Burrow was pressured at the 3rd lowest rate of his entire career. He only averaged 5.6 YPA with no pressure. The passing chart is insane considering. pic.twitter.com/InerCy5jnG

— Jake Liscow (@JakeLiscow) September 9, 2024

[Joelist]

(09-08-2024, 11:01 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The OL was fine. Turnovers, and failure to stop the run is why they lost.

I know the receivers weren’t getting open, but Joe was also sped up way too much. Can’t keep treating week 1 like a preseason game. Especially coming back from an injury.

Per NextGenStats, Burrow was pressured at the 3rd lowest rate of his entire career. He only averaged 5.6 YPA with no pressure. The passing chart is insane considering. pic.twitter.com/InerCy5jnG

— Jake Liscow (@JakeLiscow) September 9, 2024

THANK YOU! He was not being pressured that much. The design of the offense was just bizarre. They even got into a groove running then inexplicably stopped running.