(09-09-2024, 09:43 AM)casear2727 Wrote: They were obviously not prepared and for Zac to blame the game on a couple of fumbles and some missed tackles is so amateur. We could have won the game without those for sure, but, that doesnt change the most obvious issues:
Everyone in the world knew that NE's only chance was to run the ball. They still rushed for 170.
Burrow was pressured the 3rd least in his career and still only averaged 5 yards per attempt. This game plan of taking only what the defense gives you is pathetic. Why wont every team just play us like this? Other than Jamar we have ZERO chance at yards after the catch.
Our RBs averaged 4.9 yds per touch but rarely got the ball.
We likely need to fix more than just a couple fumbles and some missed tackles.
I've never liked ZT's 12 carries and less game plans. Go back thru the game logs and there's a bunch of such games. Carries by the RB's of course. Don't include QB scrambles and WR end around sweeps.
And perhaps I'm wrong ? But it sure seems the entire team could care less about running the ball and it shows. The opponents know it as well.
(09-09-2024, 10:05 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I miss the typical old cadence for the preseason games with starters:
Game 1 - A couple series
Game 2 - One quarter
Game 3 - One half
I'd like to see that again to help get the Bengals more prepared. If it doesn't work for a couple years then I'm glad to abandon that strategy, but most teams used to do that for a reason.
I’ll defend Tanner. He’s not a bad player, and definitely shouldn’t be cut. He made a mental mistake, that’s it. Still think he plays better than what he showed yesterday. The whole team was ass. Dline couldn’t get pressure and couldn’t stop the run for shit. We need that guy on D that wreaks havoc like every team in our division.
Offense has its own issues. How none of these receivers can get open blows my mind. Too many check downs, zero shots down field and not getting Chase involved early is frustrating. Play calling is predictable and always short of the first down marker. Oline was a little better in the 2nd half but still seems to regress under Pollack.
Piss poor tackling, game planning, play calling and the lack of prepareness has doomed us again on opening day. They better fix this shit fast.
(09-09-2024, 12:04 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Nah Sunset, sorry man but it was pretty clear he lost control of it when he hit the ground.
IDK, looks like he's got it just fine to me, until the defender lands on him. I don't consider another human landing on him part of "surviving the ground", but the rules are the rules.
Well, I tried to post a clip of the replay..
Volson is meh, but I like him, and he has far exceeded my expectations
(09-09-2024, 12:30 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I've never liked ZT's 12 carries and less game plans. Go back thru the game logs and there's a bunch of such games. Carries by the RB's of course. Don't include QB scrambles and WR end around sweeps.
And perhaps I'm wrong ? But it sure seems the entire team could care less about running the ball and it shows. The opponents know it as well.
The sad part is that on the drive that they actually committed to the run, it was working very well. I'll not be looking for Moss to break one for 60 yds, but he can definitely get up field with a purpose.
Volson is meh, but I like him, and he has far exceeded my expectations
(09-09-2024, 12:55 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: IDK, looks like he's got it just fine to me, until the defender lands on him. I don't consider another human landing on him part of "surviving the ground", but the rules are the rules.
Well, I tried to post a clip of the replay..
Okay, look at the very video you just linked.
At 0:11 in that video, he hits the ground and the ball goes from being tucked in at his side to shooting down to his groin. So it's moving and not secured. Then at 0:13 you can see his hand is not under the ball when he rolls over top of it and the ball is on the ground and you can see it roll about 45 degrees on the ground (you can tell from the laces moving around) before he re-secures it. That's an incompletion.
(09-09-2024, 09:29 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Let's not play "pin the tail on the donkey". Hudson also made a spectacular one handed catch. Besides, if the ball hadn't jarred loose from Gesicki's grip on the previous play, we're likely having an entirely different discussion today.
No singular player is at fault for that flat performance. The team just wasn't ready to play ball, and that falls on the coaching. Between soft training camps and contract melodrama, this team was anything but focused to play a live game versus an AFCN like opponent.
This pretty much nails it. And surprise surprise it won't be fixed by next Sunday against the Chiefs. It will be ugly. First win will come against the Redskins in week 3. Starting 1-2...which is Groundhogs Day with Taylor as HC
(09-09-2024, 09:34 AM)casear2727 Wrote: I never blamed the game on Hudson. Im not a Hudson fan and his lack of awareness simply reveals that he is not a primetime player.
I blame the performance on Zac, Lou, the defense, and Joe Burrow. These 4 lost the game.
Joe completed 72% of his passes with no turnovers. Hard to blame Joe for dudes fumbling, dudes not catching passes, the o line’s atrocious blocking, the defense sucking balls, and Zac’s lack of creativity.
(09-09-2024, 01:37 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: Joe completed 72% of his passes with no turnovers. Hard to blame Joe for dudes fumbling, dudes not catching passes, the o line’s atrocious blocking, the defense sucking balls, and Zac’s lack of creativity.
Extremely easy to blame Burrow. He faced the 3rd lowest pass rush in his entire career and immediately checked down all game. The last 3 plays on offense were horrendous and mostly on Joe.
He apparently checked out of many run plays that obviously didnt work and averaging 5 yards per attempt is not acceptable in high school.
(09-09-2024, 01:37 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: Joe completed 72% of his passes with no turnovers. Hard to blame Joe for dudes fumbling, dudes not catching passes, the o line’s atrocious blocking, the defense sucking balls, and Zac’s lack of creativity.
No, it’s easy. See for yourself. Check the completion chart. He was awful.
If you see something suspicious, say something suspicious.
Really hope that McLachlan gets a shot. The tape on that guy at Arizona was incredible. He looks extremely athletic. He's young and I do believe that there is a reason that several teams have cut/passed on Hudson.
The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have. Vince Lombardi
(09-09-2024, 12:30 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I've never liked ZT's 12 carries and less game plans. Go back thru the game logs and there's a bunch of such games. Carries by the RB's of course. Don't include QB scrambles and WR end around sweeps.
And perhaps I'm wrong ? But it sure seems the entire team could care less about running the ball and it shows. The opponents know it as well.
I don't know if Burrow is checking out of runs, I'm thinking no since he's in shotgun most of the time still, but he's being given multiple plays and checking out of them according to Goodberry.
(09-09-2024, 01:37 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: Joe completed 72% of his passes with no turnovers. Hard to blame Joe for dudes fumbling, dudes not catching passes, the o line’s atrocious blocking, the defense sucking balls, and Zac’s lack of creativity.
Anyone of us could have completed 72% of those 5 yard throws...
Quote:"Success doesn’t mean every single move they make is good" ~ Anonymous "Let not the dumb have to educate" ~ jj22
(09-09-2024, 02:35 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: I don't know if Burrow is checking out of runs, I'm thinking no since he's in shotgun most of the time still, but he's being given multiple plays and checking out of them according to Goodberry.
Playing in The shot gun all the time, makes it easy to Defend. What happened to play action, what happened to Chase out of the backfield. Receivers are just not good enough to get open, and with Chase double teamed, there is no where to throw the ball, hence the dump off for a 5 yard pass.
(09-09-2024, 10:00 AM)Nepa Wrote: Found this from a year ago before the start of the season. Don't know if it was accurate: "Last year, every team that didn't play starters at all in preseason lost their week 1 game (including SB champion Rams). Do you feel this will effect us?"
Yes, the Rams are one of those teams that don't play their starters, and this is perhaps where Zac Taylor takes his inspiration. They also didn't this year and again lost their first game.
I think the better model for the Bengals is 3-time Super Bowl champion Andy Reid (4 if you count one as a assistant coach). He plays his starters, including Mahomes, in at least two preseason games and often considers doing it in a third game. Mahomes generally plays at least half a game in one of the preseason games, with the other starters, and limited snaps in another. Reid does this despite the fact that his teams are playing all the way to February the season before, unlike the Bengals who had a long off-season this year. Andy Reid defends doing so because he feels it is necessary to get ready for the speed and physicality of an actual game.
I think we seen enough of the Bengals poor starts. One win in the first two games and 10 losses. Yesterday the Bengals looked not ready against the Patriots who played their starters in all three preseason games.
(09-09-2024, 10:44 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I'm not going to bash Hudson too much, he is normally very sure handed. It sucks, but it happens to everyone who plays.
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