Paycor/Practice Facility Redesign

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(09-18-2024, 10:23 AM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Or when Burrow's spikes clip the pavement and he seemingly takes a normal tumble but uses his right hand/wrist to brace for the fall. Outcome: Burrow misses 6 to 8 weeks with a wrist injury. 

With our luck that certainly seems like a plausible scenario.

[Sled21]

(09-18-2024, 10:12 AM)PhilHos Wrote: You say that now, but when Burrow gets hit by a speeding Steeler fan in a brown Pinto, you'll change your tune.

I'm pretty sure Jimmy Burrow taught Joey to look both ways....

[Essex Johnson]

I think the improvements are realistic and within reason, the question I would have is the vision outside of the stadium, to me i like see a separate price tag on stadium improvement only.. since i would not think the Brown's would be contributing to the outside improvements around the stadium per say.

[Nicomo Cosca]

Could the Bengals leave Cincinnati after next year?

Multiple emails that we obtained between the county to the Bengals over the last several months show a growing tension over budgets, requested improvements and the process of it all. Read them here: https://t.co/ceqJyhVg9j pic.twitter.com/kKB5ARDMkZ

— WCPO 9 (@WCPO) January 18, 2025

Sounds pretty contentious. Can’t really blame the county one bit. Dealing with that family (especially Troy Blackburn) has to be insufferable.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(01-17-2025, 11:41 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Could the Bengals leave Cincinnati after next year?

Multiple emails that we obtained between the county to the Bengals over the last several months show a growing tension over budgets, requested improvements and the process of it all. Read them here: https://t.co/ceqJyhVg9j pic.twitter.com/kKB5ARDMkZ

— WCPO 9 (@WCPO) January 18, 2025

Sounds pretty contentious. Can’t really blame the county one bit. Dealing with that family (especially Troy Blackburn) has to be insufferable.

I might have actually cared a bit back when games were more affordable to go to, before Bengals games became the 7th most expensive to go to in the NFL. Or before the NFL got around $20b in revenue last year and still rising.

Partial public financing of a stadium made a little bit of sense when the NFL was an owner's ~1/64th share of the NFL revenue in the early 00's was under $70m/yr. A $455m stadium is a bigger deal then. Now an owner's ~1/64th share of the revenue is over $300m/yr and only shooting up? Pay for your own damn stadium and if that means you move, so be it.

[Luvnit2]

(01-17-2025, 11:41 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Could the Bengals leave Cincinnati after next year?

Multiple emails that we obtained between the county to the Bengals over the last several months show a growing tension over budgets, requested improvements and the process of it all. Read them here: https://t.co/ceqJyhVg9j pic.twitter.com/kKB5ARDMkZ

— WCPO 9 (@WCPO) January 18, 2025

Sounds pretty contentious. Can’t really blame the county one bit. Dealing with that family (especially Troy Blackburn) has to be insufferable.

So, you hope the Brown family does not renew the lease and moves to another city. How does the St. Louis Bengals sound?

If the city is in violation, it appears they are the bad actor in this situation.

[QueenCity]

I'm not so sure I'd support another (city - Bengals)

I'm sure they will figure it out... The Ohio "Modell Law" should make it extremely hard for a move elsewhere.

[Big Boss]

If they move, they move. The county needs to look out for its taxpayers and not get bent over again.

[BengalsLUFC]

(01-18-2025, 12:32 AM)Big Boss Wrote: If they move, they move. The county needs to look out for its taxpayers and not get bent over again.

Stuff like this makes me laugh.

If the Bengals move the city is finished. I’m sorry to tell you this but nobody gives a **** about the reds with their ownership and the product they put on the field.

FC Cincinnati an awful standard and as much as it’s my sport it’s never in a million years going to be the biggest sport in the city.

What are you going to do with the 65k stadium if they leave? What about the banks and all the investment to that? Or the money that comes in from people all over the world that come to watch the Bengals.

The Brown family are cheap but they aren’t idiots the city can’t afford to lose the team and will end up paying a higher % of the renovation costs.

Would just be nice to have these negotiations without the drama for once both sides as bad as each other.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(01-18-2025, 01:29 AM)BengalsLUFC Wrote: Stuff like this makes me laugh.

If the Bengals move the city is finished. I’m sorry to tell you this but nobody gives a **** about the reds with their ownership and the product they put on the field.

FC Cincinnati an awful standard and as much as it’s my sport it’s never in a million years going to be the biggest sport in the city.

What are you going to do with the 65k stadium if they leave? What about the banks and all the investment to that? Or the money that comes in from people all over the world that come to watch the Bengals.

The Brown family are cheap but they aren’t idiots the city can’t afford to lose the team and will end up paying a higher % of the renovation costs.

Would just be nice to have these negotiations without the drama for once both sides as bad as each other.

LOL

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(01-18-2025, 01:33 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: LOL

Wut? If the Bengals leave Cincy will be a ghost town in 15 years...

Cause they bring in about 75 visitors a year

[BengalsLUFC]

(01-18-2025, 01:33 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: LOL

Hate to say it I love the place genuinely I’d move there tomorrow.

But what is there downtown? You’ve got the Bengals, Reds an old arena and Fc Cincinnati.

If the Bengals leave they would lose millions and millions of dollars a year. The international visitors are gone the people living out of state won’t come.

You can laugh all you like but if the city ***** this up Cincy goes from a must visit place to just a regular city.

[J24]

Its a non issue the team will be competitive for the near future + there is no city that will be more attractive to ownership then the Nati.

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(01-18-2025, 01:41 AM)BengalsLUFC Wrote: Hate to say it I love the place genuinely I’d move there tomorrow.

But what is there downtown? You’ve got the Bengals, Reds an old arena and Fc Cincinnati.

If the Bengals leave they would lose millions and millions of dollars a year. The international visitors are gone the people living out of state won’t come.

You can laugh all you like but if the city ***** this up Cincy goes from a must visit place to just a regular city.

Dude, you're talking just 10 days a year, 2 of which nobody cares about, and 1 of which is going to probably be in Europe this year. 

I think because you are one, you're vastly overestimating how many international visitors are traveling to Cincinnati each year to watch a Bengals game. That's a "there's dozens of us, dozens!" moment.

4x as many people attend Reds games as Bengals games. Sure there's less people per game, but that doesn't matter when we're talking benefits to the city because that's 81 opportunities for people to get hotel rooms or go to restaurants vs 8. We get 5,000+ people per game coming in from Chicago 7x a year (because getting good seats here for a 3 game series even with hotels and such is often cheaper than going to 3 games in good seats in Chicago), and to a lesser but still significant amount with St Louis, Milkwaukee, and Pittsburgh, all 7x per year.  

Hell, only 100k less people went to FC Cincinnati games than Bengals games, so it's not like the Bengals are single-handedly keeping this city afloat with  hotel room booking and restaurant patrons.

If going from 3 professional sports teams to 2 in the city because we don't want to give our tax dollars to a guy worth multiple billions of dollars, so be it man. Cincinnati has probably never been and probably never will be a "must visit" place, and the Bengals absolutely do not move that needle on making it so. 




Interesting how quickly it went from the city being "finished" if they leave to just being a regular city. Even though even without the Bengals there's only 26 cities in the country would have more major professional sports teams than our 2. We'd be fine. 

Send Mike Brown all your English Pounds if you're so worried about him going broke if he has to tap into his billions of dollars of net worth to pay for his team rather than starting to argue on how we should spend our tax dollars on it. A whole lot easier to spend other people's money.

[BoomerFan]

Isn't it also about making the city visible and desirable though? Even if home games are only 10 days a year (though people will travel and stay for the whole weekend) I think folks are underestimating how good it is to have an NFL franchise in Cincinnati. That said, the city should fight to spend/lose as few tax dollars as possible. That's reasonable. But also, lets not pretend like the Bengals are replaceable. Maybe people shouldn't say that out loud too often or anything because letting the team have all the leverage in negotiations isn't healthy but at least we should kind of know that is true.

On the other hand (other other hand?) , I think that game day and the presence of the stadium and crowds on game day can actually be an inconvenience or a pain to people in Cincinnati in other ways. And it can strain local services. So there are a lot of things to factor in.

[Essex Johnson]

(09-17-2024, 07:14 PM)RegularGuy22 Wrote: Get ready taxpayers. I remember 25 years ago when all the media mouthpieces were raging about how the City of Cincinnati would literally slide off into the Ohio River if the two new stadiums weren't approved. Remember the sales tax increase?

Will all these lush improvements help the run game on both sides of the line?  

things have changed much since then, there will be other contributors (nfl, state of ohio, possible sponsors) to spread the cost, last time it was  all put on the weight of the taxpayers and all parties known that won;t happen this time. That does not mean they will come to a deal, the Brown families knowns they could move to a larger city and gain more revenue than they will here 

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(01-18-2025, 03:25 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Dude, you're talking just 10 days a year, 2 of which nobody cares about, and 1 of which is going to probably be in Europe this year. 

I think because you are one, you're vastly overestimating how many international visitors are traveling to Cincinnati each year to watch a Bengals game. That's a "there's dozens of us, dozens!" moment.

4x as many people attend Reds games as Bengals games. Sure there's less people per game, but that doesn't matter when we're talking benefits to the city because that's 81 opportunities for people to get hotel rooms or go to restaurants vs 8. We get 5,000+ people per game coming in from Chicago 7x a year (because getting good seats here for a 3 game series even with hotels and such is often cheaper than going to 3 games in good seats in Chicago), and to a lesser but still significant amount with St Louis, Milkwaukee, and Pittsburgh, all 7x per year.  

Hell, only 100k less people went to FC Cincinnati games than Bengals games, so it's not like the Bengals are single-handedly keeping this city afloat with  hotel room booking and restaurant patrons.

If going from 3 professional sports teams to 2 in the city because we don't want to give our tax dollars to a guy worth multiple billions of dollars, so be it man. Cincinnati has probably never been and probably never will be a "must visit" place, and the Bengals absolutely do not move that needle on making it so. 




Interesting how quickly it went from the city being "finished" if they leave to just being a regular city. Even though even without the Bengals there's only 26 cities in the country would have more major professional sports teams than our 2. We'd be fine. 

Send Mike Brown all your English Pounds if you're so worried about him going broke if he has to tap into his billions of dollars of net worth to pay for his team rather than starting to argue on how we should spend our tax dollars on it. A whole lot easier to spend other people's money.

Well we have seen what happens when teams leave cities. St. Louis lost hundreds of millions in taxes & revenues and the property value for the entire city dropped. They ended up sueing the NFL for lost revenue. Cleveland is trying to sue Jim Haslam right now for moving the team to Brooke Park.



From what I understand the big hang up here isn't that the county doesn't want to do the renovations they want the State to pay for a chunk of it like Ohio plans on doing for the new Browns stadium. 


PS: How do Bengals fans feel about your state taxes going up to help pay for a brand new Browns stadium. Lol

[Essex Johnson]

(01-18-2025, 12:32 AM)Big Boss Wrote: If they move, they move.  The county needs to look out for its taxpayers and not get bent over again.

I do not see that type of lease from the past, back then states and nfl and partnerships did not contribute, today it is a bit different, also many people  and businesses in the county have benefited from having the reds and bengals, estimates is over 1/4 million annual economic impact to the area. 

[ERIC1]

(01-18-2025, 03:25 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Dude, you're talking just 10 days a year, 2 of which nobody cares about, and 1 of which is going to probably be in Europe this year. 

I think because you are one, you're vastly overestimating how many international visitors are traveling to Cincinnati each year to watch a Bengals game. That's a "there's dozens of us, dozens!" moment.

4x as many people attend Reds games as Bengals games. Sure there's less people per game, but that doesn't matter when we're talking benefits to the city because that's 81 opportunities for people to get hotel rooms or go to restaurants vs 8. We get 5,000+ people per game coming in from Chicago 7x a year (because getting good seats here for a 3 game series even with hotels and such is often cheaper than going to 3 games in good seats in Chicago), and to a lesser but still significant amount with St Louis, Milkwaukee, and Pittsburgh, all 7x per year.  

Hell, only 100k less people went to FC Cincinnati games than Bengals games, so it's not like the Bengals are single-handedly keeping this city afloat with  hotel room booking and restaurant patrons.

If going from 3 professional sports teams to 2 in the city because we don't want to give our tax dollars to a guy worth multiple billions of dollars, so be it man. Cincinnati has probably never been and probably never will be a "must visit" place, and the Bengals absolutely do not move that needle on making it so. 




Interesting how quickly it went from the city being "finished" if they leave to just being a regular city. Even though even without the Bengals there's only 26 cities in the country would have more major professional sports teams than our 2. We'd be fine. 

Send Mike Brown all your English Pounds if you're so worried about him going broke if he has to tap into his billions of dollars of net worth to pay for his team rather than starting to argue on how we should spend our tax dollars on it. A whole lot easier to spend other people's money.

the actual number of game days has very little to do with the profound impact that the Bengals have on the city.

[Essex Johnson]

(01-18-2025, 10:39 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: the actual number of game days has very little to do with the profound impact that the Bengals have on the city.

I could not find an individual breakdown of reds and bengals, but I did read that it is estimated about $250,000 annually is the economic impact of the two teams for the area