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(01-18-2025, 10:08 AM)BoomerFan Wrote: Isn't it also about making the city visible and desirable though? Even if home games are only 10 days a year (though people will travel and stay for the whole weekend) I think folks are underestimating how good it is to have an NFL franchise in Cincinnati. That said, the city should fight to spend/lose as few tax dollars as possible. That's reasonable. But also, lets not pretend like the Bengals are replaceable. Maybe people shouldn't say that out loud too often or anything because letting the team have all the leverage in negotiations isn't healthy but at least we should kind of know that is true.
On the other hand (other other hand?) , I think that game day and the presence of the stadium and crowds on game day can actually be an inconvenience or a pain to people in Cincinnati in other ways. And it can strain local services. So there are a lot of things to factor in.
lol@ "game day and the strain on our services"...there's not a lot to factor
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(01-18-2025, 10:17 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: things have changed much since then, there will be other contributors (nfl, state of ohio, possible sponsors) to spread the cost, last time it was all put on the weight of the taxpayers and all parties known that won;t happen this time. That does not mean they will come to a deal, the Brown families knowns they could move to a larger city and gain more revenue than they will here
lol@ the "Brown Family knows " ...did you ever consider that the Browns etc al..don't want to go to another city..my argument is as good as yours
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It would be intersting to see the actual tax revenue created by the Bengals being in the city of Cincinnati.
1. FO and Bengals employees' salaries
2. Players' Salaries
3. Coaches' salaries
4. Visiting coaches and players salaries
5. Parking at and around stadium
6. Concession income
7. Taxes paid By Bengals based on income
8. Hotel income
9. Restaurant income
10. Bengals merchandise
I don't know the answer, but the city and county should know if giving the Bengals a tax deal will help or hurt income.
2024 may go on record as one of most underperforming teams in Bengal history. Bengal's FO has major work to do on defensive side of the ball. I say tag and trade Tee Higgins in 2025 to start with the rebuild.
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(01-18-2025, 03:25 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Dude, you're talking just 10 days a year, 2 of which nobody cares about, and 1 of which is going to probably be in Europe this year.
I think because you are one, you're vastly overestimating how many international visitors are traveling to Cincinnati each year to watch a Bengals game. That's a "there's dozens of us, dozens!" moment.
4x as many people attend Reds games as Bengals games. Sure there's less people per game, but that doesn't matter when we're talking benefits to the city because that's 81 opportunities for people to get hotel rooms or go to restaurants vs 8. We get 5,000+ people per game coming in from Chicago 7x a year (because getting good seats here for a 3 game series even with hotels and such is often cheaper than going to 3 games in good seats in Chicago), and to a lesser but still significant amount with St Louis, Milkwaukee, and Pittsburgh, all 7x per year.
Hell, only 100k less people went to FC Cincinnati games than Bengals games, so it's not like the Bengals are single-handedly keeping this city afloat with hotel room booking and restaurant patrons.
If going from 3 professional sports teams to 2 in the city because we don't want to give our tax dollars to a guy worth multiple billions of dollars, so be it man. Cincinnati has probably never been and probably never will be a "must visit" place, and the Bengals absolutely do not move that needle on making it so.
Interesting how quickly it went from the city being "finished" if they leave to just being a regular city. Even though even without the Bengals there's only 26 cities in the country would have more major professional sports teams than our 2. We'd be fine.
Send Mike Brown all your English Pounds if you're so worried about him going broke if he has to tap into his billions of dollars of net worth to pay for his team rather than starting to argue on how we should spend our tax dollars on it. A whole lot easier to spend other people's money.
You guys have to deal with that bullshit too, huh?
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(01-18-2025, 12:43 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:
I truly don't care one way or another, but isn't this protected by privacy laws?
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(01-18-2025, 12:56 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I truly don't care one way or another, but isn't this protected by privacy laws?
Evidently not.
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(01-18-2025, 10:42 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I could not find an individual breakdown of reds and bengals, but I did read that it is estimated about $250,000 annually is the economic impact of the two teams for the area
- In 2022, the Bengals' playoff run brought $135 million to the Cincinnati area.
All hopes turn to next year
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(01-18-2025, 12:56 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I truly don't care one way or another, but isn't this protected by privacy laws?
nope...communications by city officials concerning city business are public information unless they are about personnel matters. If asked they have to produce the communications
All hopes turn to next year
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(01-18-2025, 12:55 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: You guys have to deal with that bullshit too, huh?
Yeah, it has always been a bit ridiculous but '15-'20 or whenever the Cubs were going to the playoffs every years was EXTRA absurd.
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(09-18-2024, 12:30 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I think the improvements are realistic and within reason, the question I would have is the vision outside of the stadium, to me i like see a separate price tag on stadium improvement only.. since i would not think the Brown's would be contributing to the outside improvements around the stadium per say.
Where Essex?
San Antonio- Jerry Jones wouldn't allow that!
St.Louis- Yeah, they want to pay a billion dollars on a stadium just for them to move in 30 years.
Toronto- Good luck getting a stadium deal there!
California- same as Toronto!
Orlando- The Bucs are not going to like that!
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