No real surprises

[jj22]

(09-24-2024, 01:06 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Lol, give up.  You were being disparaging and I proved it.  Its funny you call me out just to prove you wrong.  Read this before the next game and we might not have to go through this again.

Until you can provide receipts of what you said was a quote of something I said, all of this is just a long winded way of apologizing for being wrong. 

[casear2727]

(09-24-2024, 01:11 AM)jj22 Wrote: Until you can provide receipts of what you said was a quote of something I said, all of this is just a long winded way of apologizing for being wrong. 

[Nicomo Cosca]

(09-24-2024, 01:01 AM)jj22 Wrote: That wasn’t the “quote” in question. 

That was a statement like I said more about yet another young star rise at QB. And winning games does weigh in a top QB debate. None of that blames Burrow for the loss. That’s not even. 300 yard game. Dalton put up those numbers (better). .

Dalton’s numbers were not better.

Dalton - 26/37, 70.3 comp %, 319 yards, 3 TD’s, 123.6 passer rating

Burrow - 29/38, 76.3 comp%, 324 yards, 3 TD’s, 127.5 passer rating

[Housh]

Is someone really saying Burrow could’ve done something to offset the D literally getting 1 stop all game?

[casear2727]

(09-24-2024, 01:20 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Dalton’s numbers were not better.

Dalton - 26/37, 70.3 comp %, 319 yards, 3 TD’s, 123.6 passer rating

Burrow - 29/38, 76.3 comp%, 324 yards, 3 TD’s, 127.5 passer rating

[jj22]

At the time of the quote he referenced. Y’all trying too hard now.

But thanks for highlighting the similarities in the end stats. No one is claiming Dalton is a top 2 QB. 

And Daltons team won…..

[Nicomo Cosca]

(09-24-2024, 01:30 AM)jj22 Wrote: At the time of the quote he referenced. Y’all trying too hard now.

But thanks for highlighting the similarities in stats. No one is claiming Dalton is a top 2 QB. 

And Daltons team won…..

You just can’t help yourself.

Teams with 4+ touchdowns, zero punts and zero turnovers in a game were 26-0 in the Super Bowl era heading into today

They are now 26-1 after that Bengals loss@NFLPlus

— Dante Koplowitz-Fleming (@DanteKopFlem) September 24, 2024

[jj22]

(09-24-2024, 01:38 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: You just can’t help yourself.

Teams with 4+ touchdowns, zero punts and zero turnovers in a game were 26-0 in the Super Bowl era heading into today

They are now 26-1 after that Bengals loss@NFLPlus

— Dante Koplowitz-Fleming (@DanteKopFlem) September 24, 2024

I didn’t say anything about anything in that tweet that I “just can’t help myself” from saying. Did I? 

So what about that tweet I can’t help myself for? 

Y’all making up quotes and points I've never said or made just to be mad about something. Flailing. 

Did Daltons team not win? 

[bengaloo]

This is the first game Ive been able to watch so far this year, and imo, it was glaring that the Bengals need major help at DT, CB and S. Not sure if this is even a playolff caliber team until at least some of that is addressed. Stop drafting Michigan players or something. Hill and Turner look bad. 

[Destro]

Only thing that stopped Washington was the game ending.

[Sled21]

(09-24-2024, 07:42 AM)Destro Wrote: Only thing that stopped Washington was the game ending.

I have to admit, they were better than I thought they were. They haven't punted in two games in a row now. 

[Millhouse]

These off-seasons last few years have left this defense regressing quite a bit. They aren't drafting nearly good enough for a team that doesn't trade and taps free agency when they have to.

The offense is good enough for a Super Bowl run. This defense is just bad tho, and very little chance, like less than 5% chance at most they can make the playoffs now because of them.

[Essex Johnson]

The defense was bad no doubt tonight but Daniel's play was stellar, 21 out of 23 and the dime he dropped on TD to seal game against pressure plus his mobility and timely runs . He has yet to throw a int as a rookie, it seems the Commanders might have finally found their franchise QB

[Timanky12]

Fire all the defensive coaches and bring in new people. That’s the first thing that should happen. Then, start weeding out the players who stink.
You can’t get rid of the whole defense at once, but that would be the perfect fix. We could bring in players cut from other teams and field a better defense.

We can’t stop the run, no pressure on the QB, receivers are wide open every where on every play.

The defense has never been good, not even average in the NFL, the last 5 years, but this is ridiculous.

Without a defense, this team will never return to the playoffs or win a SB. All SB winners have a good defense, and ours is nonexistent.

[NUGDUKWE]

(09-24-2024, 12:25 AM)CJD Wrote: Our offense was nearly perfect. A missed FG and a throw at Chase's feet away from scoring 43 points.

The defense was the polar opposite.

But our offensive playcalling did shoot ourselves in the foot on a couple of those drives. The 1st down throw to the line of scrimmage after the possible fumble which is understandable but then we double down and do it again with time expiring in the 1st half. What's the point to try and catch them off guard? Did Washington's defense look like it needed to be caught off guard? Then some odd runs in the redzone where it just felt very predictable. I want to run more and last night we ran well but when you have to have a touchdown against they're secondary giving Burrow as many opportunities to find a guy seems like a win to me.

[CJD]

(09-24-2024, 12:29 AM)jj22 Wrote: I never blamed Burrow. Look again. My comments were about the rise of yet another young QB. 

I never not once blamed Burrow. 

I give you permission to quote me where you think I did. 

You never explicitly said the loss is on Burrow, but you did consistently equivocate winning with QB success. You mentioned several times that Joe Burrow is no longer a top 10 QB in 2024. Your top 10 (with one honorable mention) was:

Mahomes

Allen
Hurts
Prescott
Love
Daniels
Stanford
Purdy
Lamar
Goff

Darnold….


This is why people are saying you blamed Burrow for this loss. Because, in a game where Burrow was nearly perfect, you are talking about him no longer being a top 10 QB in the NFL (which is ridiculous), listing guys like Goff, Love, Stanford and Prescott above him.


If you want to say you were just emotionally charged last night and not thinking straight, that's one thing. But you seem to be doubling down on this absurd notion that Burrow's performance last night was an indication that he fell out of the top 10 QBs in the NFL. 


Hence the other members criticizing you.

[Ell Prez]

Burrow isn’t the problem. Not his play or his contract. Every single QB on a second contract is getting paid top dollar and eating the cap. If you want a second contract, you’re paying roughly the same.

Problem is, and just as I said ALL off season, and was told to relax, is the defense. Since being good, we lost Bates, reader, Chido, bell (hear me out). We replaced them with stone (one year wonder in a Baltimore system that is always good), rankins (oh we don’t need to stop the run we need to tush the qb from the DT position, Dax hill (we have these young inexperienced unproven cbs that will be just fine), and a washed up Bell (yay bell is back, after being awful in Carolina and now 2 years older than when he was last here). How is that improving? We didn’t improve at LB. We tried at DE, but missed on Murphy. Hubbard is coming off an injury and getting older.

If you didn’t see this train wreck of a defense coming, then that’s on you. I saw it, I called it. However I did think this offense would overcome it. The SB defense lived off turnovers, not actually stopping the other team. Now turnovers aren’t coming and we’re exposed as a team that can’t stop the run, can’t tackle, and can barely cover.


I said the season was over after the first game of the year. I was told to relax and I’m not a bengals fan. No, I’m a realist. This team is not good, and they’re not winning a Super Bowl, making the AFC championship game, or even making the playoffs. We got a top 10 pick coming in. I wanted to tank last year after burrow went down so we could pick higher in all 7 rounds. When do we start tanking now? When do we trade Tee for something more than a 3rd round comp pick?

[higgy100]

(09-24-2024, 09:30 AM)Ell Prez Wrote: Burrow isn’t the problem. Not his play or his contract. Every single QB on a second contract is getting paid top dollar and eating the cap. If you want a second contract, you’re paying roughly the same.

Problem is, and just as I said ALL off season, and was told to relax, is the defense. Since being good, we lost Bates, reader, Chido, bell (hear me out). We replaced them with stone (one year wonder in a Baltimore system that is always good), rankins (oh we don’t need to stop the run we need to tush the qb from the DT position, Dax hill (we have these young inexperienced unproven cbs that will be just fine), and a washed up Bell (yay bell is back, after being awful in Carolina and now 2 years older than when he was last here). How is that improving? We didn’t improve at LB. We tried at DE, but missed on Murphy. Hubbard is coming off an injury and getting older.

If you didn’t see this train wreck of a defense coming, then that’s on you. I saw it, I called it. However I did think this offense would overcome it. The SB defense lived off turnovers, not actually stopping the other team. Now turnovers aren’t coming and we’re exposed as a team that can’t stop the run, can’t tackle, and can barely cover.


I said the season was over after the first game of the year. I was told to relax and I’m not a bengals fan. No, I’m a realist. This team is not good, and they’re not winning a Super Bowl, making the AFC championship game,  or even making the playoffs. We got a top 10 pick coming in. I wanted to tank last year after burrow went down so we could pick higher in all 7 rounds. When do we start tanking now? When do we trade Tee for something more than a 3rd round comp pick?

The SB team defensively was opportunistic and was excellent, iirc, in the redzone but that's hard to live off of from season to season. Lou did not want to lose Bates or Reader yet they let both go and did not replace either of them with real solid players. Their DL does not have a true 1 gap DL. Somebody that commands a double once in awhile nor a guy that can shed a block and still make the play.

LB play is really only as good as their DL as they have alot of responsibility in covering and manning the middle of the field and filling run gaps and that's freakin' hard to do when their DL is that bad getting to the QB and defending the run, more importantly. 

What they finally did offensively was to stick to the run game which haven't done in years. This offense is humming with alot of weapons now but you'll never win a game the way this D is.

[Ell Prez]

(09-24-2024, 09:43 AM)higgy100 Wrote: The SB team defensively was opportunistic and was excellent, iirc, in the redzone but that's hard to live off of from season to season. Lou did not want to lose Bates or Reader yet they let both go and did not replace either of them with real solid players. Their DL does not have a true 1 gap DL. Somebody that commands a double once in awhile nor a guy that can shed a block and still make the play.

LB play is really only as good as their DL as they have alot of responsibility in covering and manning the middle of the field and filling run gaps and that's freakin' hard to do when their DL is that bad getting to the QB and defending the run, more importantly. 

What they finally did offensively was to stick to the run game which haven't done in years. This offense is humming with alot of weapons now but you'll never win a game the way this D is.

I wouldnt say the offense is humming. They were awful game 1, decent not good game 2, pretty good game 3. Left some points on the board. But we knew they were going to score against Washington. They don’t have that good of a defense. Neither do we. Who guessed Daniels would play better than Burrow though? Damn

[higgy100]

(09-24-2024, 09:51 AM)Ell Prez Wrote: I would say the offense is humming. They were awful game 1, decent not good game 2, pretty good game 3. Left some points on the board. But we knew they were going to score against Washington. They don’t have that good of a defense. Neither do we. Who guessed Daniels would play better than Burrow though? Damn

They had an excellent mix especially in the 2nd half of run/pass which we haven't seen in a long time. A Burrow mistake, a bad pass, etc. simply gets magnified with this terrible defense. He's not a machine.