PFF Grades vs Carolina

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(10-01-2024, 11:00 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Chase Brown has 72 snaps and is included on Goodberry's list, but Turner, with 64 is not. 

I mean, I guess you gotta cut it off somewhere, but I do not see a meaninful difference there. Though Brown is consistently RB2 while almost all of Turner's snaps (over 50) came last week.

Point being, guys like Turner, ADG, and Jenkins have all been pretty good to very good on limited snaps. 

Yeah, I don't see a big difference there either. 

Jenkins seems to be getting better with each snap! Even with the club. I've really been impressed with Akeem this year, albeit limited action.  

[reuben.ahmed]

(09-30-2024, 10:51 PM)Joelist Wrote: Sorry I had to run errands - it happens. 

Errands come last please

[WeezyBengal]

Zach Carter should never see the field again and Hubbard should never play on obvious passing downs again. Murphy can't get back soon enough.

[casear2727]

(10-01-2024, 01:04 AM)Joelist Wrote: Hi! How did you manage to get the images to show? I tried twice and the images were invisible after embedding.

Im not embedding, Im taking screen shots.

[casear2727]

(10-01-2024, 08:13 AM)Nepa Wrote: I was surprised by posters who said Mims did "outstanding" last game. I didn't counter that view prior to the PFF grades being posted, because I didn't focus only on Mims. But the PFF grades back up my eye test on when I did view Mims. It has been two games in a row now where he completely whiffed on blocking his man, barely getting a touch on him at all. Last game, that resulted in Burrow scrambling for his life and throwing the interception.  

Mims is a brand new rookie, without NFL experience, so I'm not concerned. But I would not label his performance "outstanding" to date and the PFF grades reflect that his pass blocking has been poor. 

He is vulnerable to the inside swim move, as is Orlando at times, this is an issue with the largest linemen (Trent Brown too).  Mims keeps working with OBJr he will hopefully figure it out.

[TCUBengal34]

(09-30-2024, 07:34 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: Wasn't it put out there that PFF takes cash from players to modify their ratings?

Grain of salt everyone.

Trust your eyes.

Never heard that, but PFF is just a tool, nothing more nothing less.

There is a reason real football people ignore it. Fans do love to slurp it up though. 

[007BengalsFan]

(10-01-2024, 05:12 PM)TCUBengal34 Wrote: Never heard that, but PFF is just a tool, nothing more nothing less.

There is a reason real football people ignore it. Fans do love to slurp it up though. 

They use PFF stats on the Sunday night games so real football people do use it when its showing up on broadcasts of games.  As far as players paying for better grades, I dont believe it.  That claim sounds like disgruntled players unhappy with their grade or unhappy someone else grades out better.  I do agree that it is a tool amongst many you can look at.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-01-2024, 03:02 PM)casear2727 Wrote: He is vulnerable to the inside swim move, as is Orlando at times, this is an issue with the largest linemen (Trent Brown too).  Mims keeps working with OBJr he will hopefully figure it out.

Good breakdown here.

.@Bengals @amarius_mims made his first NFL start v @Panthers Lots of good stuff to build upon that includes a great and consistent kick start. His length is ridiculous. The more he sees the better he will get. #whodey #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/Dk6423N7HA

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) October 1, 2024

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(10-01-2024, 05:12 PM)TCUBengal34 Wrote: Never heard that, but PFF is just a tool, nothing more nothing less.

There is a reason real football people ignore it. Fans do love to slurp it up though. 

There was a piece about it. I do agree though, it it like politics. People cite biased sources when it favors them and ignore it when it does not.

Trust your eyes.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-01-2024, 11:00 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Chase Brown has 72 snaps and is included on Goodberry's list, but Turner, with 64 is not. 

I mean, I guess you gotta cut it off somewhere, but I do not see a meaninful difference there. Though Brown is consistently RB2 while almost all of Turner's snaps (over 50) came last week.

Point being, guys like Turner, ADG, and Jenkins have all been pretty good to very good on limited snaps. 

25% of the snaps?

Turner is at 23.94%
C Brown is at 29.51%

[sandwedge]

(10-01-2024, 08:00 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Good breakdown here.

.@Bengals @amarius_mims made his first NFL start v @Panthers Lots of good stuff to build upon that includes a great and consistent kick start. His length is ridiculous. The more he sees the better he will get. #whodey #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/Dk6423N7HA

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) October 1, 2024

Did that hands to face get called?

To the people saying he was just ok... Juist what more do you want?

[CJD]

(09-30-2024, 11:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: That Dax Hill dude may not be a bust after all.

He's really developed nicely at CB. It seems like he just wasn't a great fit for safety. 

[Bengal Dude]

(10-01-2024, 03:00 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Zach Carter should never see the field again and Hubbard should never play on obvious passing downs again. Murphy can't get back soon enough.

I'm not sure which scout or coach was all in on Zach Carter, but they need their head examined. A lot of fans and some media members were scratching their heads with the pick and he's done nothing with the opportunities given to him. 

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(10-01-2024, 09:51 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: 25% of the snaps?

Turner is at 23.94%
C Brown is at 29.51%

Thanks for that. Makes sense to me.

[*Synric*]

(10-01-2024, 05:39 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: They use PFF stats on the Sunday night games so real football people do use it when its showing up on broadcasts of games.  As far as players paying for better grades, I dont believe it.  That claim sounds like disgruntled players unhappy with their grade or unhappy someone else grades out better.  I do agree that it is a tool amongst many you can look at.

PFF has one of the best analytics departments and actually have special analytics for Teams and Media during the season. Their grades on the other hand are junk. Example they only grade Defensive Backs in coverage at the catchpoint. 

[*bfine32*]

(10-01-2024, 05:12 PM)TCUBengal34 Wrote: Never heard that, but PFF is just a tool, nothing more nothing less.

There is a reason real football people ignore it. Fans do love to slurp it up though. 

IF "real" football people ignore it, then why would players pay to raise their scores? To impress "non-real" football people?

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-01-2024, 11:13 PM)CJD Wrote: He's really developed nicely at CB. It seems like he just wasn't a great fit for safety. 

I hope he turns out to be a good one. Still needs to improve tackling, but I guess we can say that about pretty much everyone on the defense this year.

[*ochocincos*]

(10-01-2024, 06:53 AM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: I am no scout by any means, but if I watch a game and a players does well, and looks like he did well, I would trust that over a rando PFF grade.

Not trying to grade every player, just stating the PFF grades are just another person's opinion. 

Nothing more, nothing less.

The people at PFF look at plays and players much closer and spend much more time than you and I do.

They go through the All 22 tape and evaluate every play for every player, rating each individual play and then coming up with a cumulative grade from that.

I put more stock in them than some rando's eye test.
Most eye tests only catch plays that involve the ball and people tend to only remember a few plays each game out of 50+ snaps.

[pulses]

(10-01-2024, 12:54 AM)casear2727 Wrote:

BY the numbers it seems Karras is really dropping off. Should have drafted JPJ this year to replace him.

[pulses]

(10-01-2024, 12:55 AM)casear2727 Wrote:

I think Bell's days of starting are over as well.