PFF Grades vs Carolina

[pulses]

(10-01-2024, 03:15 AM)psychdoctor Wrote: looks like Volson is figuring things out which is good to see.  I thought Mims did well, I guess not.  O. Brown pass blocking is steller.  Burrow is having a clean pocket for the first time as a Bengal.  I thought Burrow would be in the mid to upper 80s by now.  He is probably still getting his wrist back to normal. The defense is scary bad.  Damn.

Yep and Irwin and Jones have been invisible

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(Today, 12:57 AM)pulses Wrote: Yep and Irwin and Jones have been invisible

Poor Tyler Boyd now catching passes in Tennessee from a guy only throwing 150 yards a game but still somehow leading the NFL in INT.

We ended up giving Mike Gesicki $100k more than Tyler Boyd got, and I would have gladly taken Boyd over Gesicki at the same price.

[Yogo]

(Today, 01:30 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Poor Tyler Boyd now catching passes in Tennessee from a guy only throwing 150 yards a game but still somehow leading the NFL in INT.

We ended up giving Mike Gesicki $100k more than Tyler Boyd got, and I would have gladly taken Boyd over Gesicki at the same price.

Think we can get a good return to help out our old friends in Tennessee?  Maybe Browning could get us a 4th rounder?

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(Yesterday, 10:52 PM)ochocincos Wrote: The people at PFF look at plays and players much closer and spend much more time than you and I do.

They go through the All 22 tape and evaluate every play for every player, rating each individual play and then coming up with a cumulative grade from that.

I put more stock in them than some rando's eye test.
Most eye tests only catch plays that involve the ball and people tend to only remember a few plays each game out of 50+ snaps.

Would you believe your own rando eyes, or a grade on PFF that conflicted with it?

[Sled21]

(Today, 12:53 AM)pulses Wrote: BY the numbers it seems Karras is really dropping off. Should have drafted JPJ this year to replace him.

We have his replacement.

[Sled21]

(10-01-2024, 05:39 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: They use PFF stats on the Sunday night games so real football people do use it when its showing up on broadcasts of games.  As far as players paying for better grades, I dont believe it.  That claim sounds like disgruntled players unhappy with their grade or unhappy someone else grades out better.  I do agree that it is a tool amongst many you can look at.

Well PFF has Lou listed as the 5th best Defensive Coordinator, so if you're gonna believe player grades you have to believe everything. 

[*ochocincos*]

(9 hours ago)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: Would you believe your own rando eyes, or a grade on PFF that conflicted with it?

Usually PFF because, like I said, I'm noticing/remembering typically maybe a few plays in a game where a player may have performed well or poorly when the ball was in their direction and therefore they showed up on the screen during replay.

PFF goes through every single snap for every single player when they grade them, being able to stop and replay the tape over and over again.

I'm just watching real time on the TV broadcast, drinking beer, and walking away periodically during commercials and some plays.
I don't pay a huge amount of attention and focus on individual players during an entire game.

Maybe you do watch that closely to individual players though all/most snaps though and replay the recorded game for certain snaps.
I don't.

[Bengalfan4life27c]

Who had Volson being our best offensive lineman through 4 weeks on their bingo card?

[SunsetBengal]

(5 hours ago)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Who had Volson being our best offensive lineman through 4 weeks on their bingo card?

Slowly raises hand...

[SunsetBengal]

(8 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: PFF goes through every single snap for every single player when they grade them, being able to stop and replay the tape over and over again.

That must be one massive team of analysts and technicians, in order to review every play by every player of every game each week, sometimes rewinding and confirming what one saw to be true, and to have it all compiled, graded, and released by Tuesday the following week?

[Sled21]

(5 hours ago)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Who had Volson being our best offensive lineman through 4 weeks on their bingo card?

Cappa and Karras, who said last year when everyone was bashing Volson that he would become one of the top guards.

[Frank Booth]

(5 hours ago)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Who had Volson being our best offensive lineman through 4 weeks on their bingo card?

Alex Cappa has been the best lineman...

these Volson fanboys REALLY are something else. Just straight up lying at this point lmao

[SunsetBengal]

(4 hours ago)Frank Booth Wrote: Alex Cappa has been the best lineman...

these Volson fanboys REALLY are something else. Just straight up lying at this point lmao

Pssssssssssss.. Do you know what that sound was?

It was most of the air rapidly escaping from the "Volson Sucks" balloon 

[Frank Booth]

(4 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: Pssssssssssss.. Do you know what that sound was?

It was most of the air rapidly escaping from the "Volson Sucks" balloon 

Im glad he's playing well, but you guys saying he has been the best lineman on the team is a lie

I actually love Volson when you compare it to how much I dislike his fanboys

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(8 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: Usually PFF because, like I said, I'm noticing/remembering typically maybe a few plays in a game where a player may have performed well or poorly when the ball was in their direction and therefore they showed up on the screen during replay.

PFF goes through every single snap for every single player when they grade them, being able to stop and replay the tape over and over again.

I'm just watching real time on the TV broadcast, drinking beer, and walking away periodically during commercials and some plays.
I don't pay a huge amount of attention and focus on individual players during an entire game.

Maybe you do watch that closely to individual players though all/most snaps though and replay the recorded game for certain snaps.
I don't.

I trust what I see, and never understand why that is a questionable take. 

I get why some prefer to have numbers and be told how good or bad players play though. But if you want a player have a great game and PFF grades them poorly, that reaffirms flaws in the system.

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(9 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: Well PFF has Lou listed as the 5th best Defensive Coordinator, so if you're gonna believe player grades you have to believe everything. 

Indeed.

PFF has sent down a man with tablets of stone, proclaiming this truth.

With Joe Burrow leading the offense, and a top 5 DC, the Bengals will win out the season and take home the Lombardi trophy!

[KillerGoose]

(5 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: That must be one massive team of analysts and technicians, in order to review every play by every player of every game each week, sometimes rewinding and confirming what one saw to be true, and to have it all compiled, graded, and released by Tuesday the following week?

I know you're being facetious but each game gets assigned two analysts plus a senior analyst. Some of this information may be outdated, so take it with a grain of salt. When I was familiar with their process, the analysts were part-time, seasonal, low paid ($50-ish per game) individuals churning through games. They were not football people. It was common to have college students doing it for a little extra cash. If the analysts had a large gap in their play grade, > 0.5 points, the senior analyst came in and decided. Otherwise, the grades were published. The senior analyst did conduct a review afterwards which is why some grades change after a few days. 

They churn through analysts like no ones business, and these guys aren't much more knowledgeable than the average fan. This is why they aren't taken very seriously. Fans love it, though. 

[Joelist]

Volson has looked good. So has Cappa and so has Karras (Pass Protect score 76). OBJr has looked elite so far and Mims impressed so far. The entire line has held its end up very well.

[George Cantstandya]

(2 hours ago)KillerGoose Wrote: I know you're being facetious but each game gets assigned two analysts plus a senior analyst. Some of this information may be outdated, so take it with a grain of salt. When I was familiar with their process, the analysts were part-time, seasonal, low paid ($50-ish per game) individuals churning through games. They were not football people. It was common to have college students doing it for a little extra cash. If the analysts had a large gap in their play grade, > 0.5 points, the senior analyst came in and decided. Otherwise, the grades were published. The senior analyst did conduct a review afterwards which is why some grades change after a few days. 

They churn through analysts like no ones business, and these guys aren't much more knowledgeable than the average fan. This is why they aren't taken very seriously. Fans love it, though. 

This is why I never cared for PFF.  I get the impression they make their money off people who like to talk football and will just take their word for it.  It seems many other people love PFF when it supports their view but think they are full of it when PFF doesn't support their view.  I wonder if the hardcore gamblers and such that analyze everything NFL take PFF seriously.