Jermaine Burton still doesn’t know the freaking plays

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-28-2024, 01:25 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Thanks for a good post Nicomo, made me feel better about you buddy.

Burton's problems have always been mental. He beat Slay man, not easy.

You read the post wrong in the Trey thread my man. Ofc Trey is not a backup.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

It was a high risk pick.

Little return so far.

[TecmoBengals]

(10-28-2024, 11:31 AM)Timanky12 Wrote: Why do we always draft the dumb receivers.  Didn’t we draft Ross a couple years ago, who couldn’t get on the field, because he didn’t know the offense.

This is where I wonder if having a smaller scouting department compared to other NFL teams comes into play. Other organizations stay away from a Burton type, not because of character concerns as reported by the media, but possibly because their scouts identified a concern that he just cannot handle knowing an NFL playbook. The Bengals scouts didn't have the ability to make such a determination.

I'm just speculating, of course.

[Au165]

(10-28-2024, 01:04 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: He was on the left when he ran onto-and-off the field to make the refs delay the snap to give the defense time to substitute and sending Burrow into a hissy.

He was also on the left when he looked like he ran the wrong route and was nowhere nearby as the ball almost got intercepted.

Nothing positive on the left side this year as far as I know.

They took a shot to him down the left side against KC I believe but ball wasn't catchable. He did catch one later in the game though that is one of his two catches.

[*ochocincos*]

(10-28-2024, 01:02 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: Charlie jones is a complete bum. He doesn’t belong in the NFL. Neither does Irwin. We keep these awful back end scrubs because Brown is too cheap to invest in to depth. He buys depth pieces in FA and has them as our starters. Bell, Stone, Hill, borderline Rankins are all rotational pieces. Not starter level NFL players.

Charlie Jones is one of only 3 players in the NFL with a KR TD so far.
Jones has a YPR for KRs at 40.0, the best in the league with players who have 5+ KRs.
Jones is only 15th in PR average though at 7.1.
Return Specialist is about all he's been good for in his 1.5 seasons.
"Complete bum" though is a little overboard though. He does have value on ST.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(10-28-2024, 01:36 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: You read the post wrong in the Trey thread my man. Ofc Trey is not a backup.

Just saw that. Saw a lot of crazy posts on here yesterday just full of emotion and nothing surprises me today on here, but from you, that 
was really scary. Halloween going on around this place. BTW, I could be wrong but it seems we lose a lot and badly around and on Halloween.

[*ochocincos*]

(10-28-2024, 01:48 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: This is where I wonder if having a smaller scouting department compared to other NFL teams comes into play. Other organizations stay away from a Burton type, not because of character concerns as reported by the media, but possibly because their scouts identified a concern that he just cannot handle knowing an NFL playbook. The Bengals scouts didn't have the ability to make such a determination.

I'm just speculating, of course.

I'd go a different route, personally.

I've noticed the Bengals go for high-ceiling guys but maybe who need more refinement to get there.
Zach Carter, Jermaine Burton, Andrei Iosivas, Joseph Ossai just to name a few.
Each of these guys had some amazing, albeit inconsistent tape in college.
It might ultimately come down to the coaches thinking they could refine these guys when in reality they haven't really gotten too much out of them (at least yet).
Either these dudes haven't shown ability to improve in their areas of weakness enough and/or the coaching effort or techniques just haven't been resonating well.

[Frank Booth]

(10-28-2024, 02:17 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Charlie Jones is one of only 3 players in the NFL with a KR TD so far.
Jones has a YPR for KRs at 40.0, the best in the league with players who have 5+ KRs.
Jones is only 15th in PR average though at 7.1.
Return Specialist is about all he's been good for in his 1.5 seasons.
"Complete bum" though is a little overboard though. He does have value on ST.

They intended for him to take the boyd role, or at least be a 600 yard guy

He doesn’t even see the field. Big whiff by duke and co.

Then again, you’re putting a lot on a 4th rounder by asking him to fill Boyd’s shoes

[*ochocincos*]

(10-28-2024, 02:22 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: They intended for him to take the boyd role, or at least be a 600 yard guy

He doesn’t even see the field. Big whiff by duke and co.

Then again, you’re putting a lot on a 4th rounder by asking him to fill Boyd’s shoes

I agree with this sentiment to an extent, but is it that the coaches intended for him to take Boyd's role or did we fans just make that assumption?
If the intent for Jones was to always be return specialist, that's too high of a draft pick for such a role (IMO).

[THE PISTONS]

(10-28-2024, 01:48 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: This is where I wonder if having a smaller scouting department compared to other NFL teams comes into play. Other organizations stay away from a Burton type, not because of character concerns as reported by the media, but possibly because their scouts identified a concern that he just cannot handle knowing an NFL playbook. The Bengals scouts didn't have the ability to make such a determination.

I'm just speculating, of course.

Yeah...and we seem to draft A LOT of guys that are either local to Ohio, from Cincy, or from a big program that's on TV all the time. To me, that screams we don't have the scouting to scour for diamonds.

[THE PISTONS]

(10-28-2024, 02:21 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'd go a different route, personally.

I've noticed the Bengals go for high-ceiling guys but maybe who need more refinement to get there.
Zach Carter, Jermaine Burton, Andrei Iosivas, Joseph Ossai just to name a few.
Each of these guys had some amazing, albeit inconsistent tape in college.
It might ultimately come down to the coaches thinking they could refine these guys when in reality they haven't really gotten too much out of them (at least yet).
Either these dudes haven't shown ability to improve in their areas of weakness enough and/or the coaching effort or techniques just haven't been resonating well.

Some of it is drafting combine numbers over production. But, then in another thread it was noted that we draft very unathletic lineman. So, I don't know.

[TecmoBengals]

(10-28-2024, 02:21 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'd go a different route, personally.

I've noticed the Bengals go for high-ceiling guys but maybe who need more refinement to get there.
Zach Carter, Jermaine Burton, Andrei Iosivas, Joseph Ossai just to name a few.
Each of these guys had some amazing, albeit inconsistent tape in college.
It might ultimately come down to the coaches thinking they could refine these guys when in reality they haven't really gotten too much out of them (at least yet).
Either these dudes haven't shown ability to improve in their areas of weakness enough and/or the coaching effort or techniques just haven't been resonating well.

Like Akili Smith! 

[Whatever]

(10-28-2024, 12:53 PM)Wyche Wrote: That, and quitting on routes.

Funny you bring that up when some are saying Chuck Fizzle needs to be playing more...

[Nicomo Cosca]

Andrei Iosivas has now played three games without Tee Higgins this season. He's run 107 routes, but earned a meager 12.7% target share. It's resulted in:

Week 1: 3-26-0
Week 2: 2-7-2
Week 8: 0-0-0

— Adam Levitan (@adamlevitan) October 28, 2024

Idc if Iosivas knows the playbook like the back of his hand when this is what he’s done with his opportunities.

[Whatever]

(10-28-2024, 02:27 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yeah...and we seem to draft A LOT of guys that are either local to Ohio, from Cincy, or from a big program that's on TV all the time. To me, that screams we don't have the scouting to scour for diamonds.

Eh, I don't think that's totally accurate.  The last few drafts they've taken....

Yoshi-Princeton
Volson-N. Dakota St.
Gunter-Coastal Carolina
Sample-Tulane
Dante Smith-East Carolina
Wilson -Wyoming
ADG-Appalachian St.

I mean, most teams are gonna primarily draft guys from power conferences because they have the best players.

[*rfaulk34*]

(10-28-2024, 01:01 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Where are you getting those preseason statistics?
Not being snarky, genuinely asking.

I ask because the times I can remember Burton making a catch, he was catching from the right side of the field.

Going back and looking at PFF snaps by detailed position for preseason, it was:
50% Left WR, 50% Right WR.
It's apparently been close to 50% in regular season too.
He's been targeted so little I guess that I just haven't noticed him on the left during games.

I remember him making several plays on the left side in preseason.

[Old Dipstick]

(10-28-2024, 11:31 AM)Timanky12 Wrote: Why do we always draft the dumb receivers.  Didn’t we draft Ross a couple years ago, who couldn’t get on the field, because he didn’t know the offense.

2017 NFL Draft-- John Ross selected by the Bengals first round #9 pick..how did that turn out..P. Mahomes was taken #10 by the KC Chiefs 2017 draft. Everybody knows how that turned out.. 

[*ochocincos*]

(10-28-2024, 03:23 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I remember him making several plays on the left side in preseason.

I only watched part of one game in the preseason, which is probably why I don't remember the specifics.
As I had mentioned, I only had one game televised, and I don't believe I watched the entire game.

[*bfine32*]

I'm also sure JB gave him the stink-eye during the film session when he cost us 5 free yards by running on and off the field. I fear his route tree will always be limited, but if he's good at them, then that's a plus.

[Fan_in_Kettering]

(10-28-2024, 12:52 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: Which is insane. Just let Burton run around back yard style until he's open at this point. It's still gonna be better than Yoshi/Irwin/Jones.

Antonio Brown burned us to a crisp doing exactly that as a Steeler.