A potential big future problem

[THE PISTONS]

So Trey Hendrickson demanded a trade this offseason. https://www.nfl.com/news/defensive-end-trey-hendrickson-requests-trade-from-bengals-team-says-it-won-t-move-him

He's leading the NFL in sacks now. He has 1 more year on his contract. Pretty obvious the Bengals need to pay him and extend him.

Ja'Marr Chase has 1 year left on his contract. They were unable to work out an extension this offseason. His value likely went up.

Tee Higgins is under the franchise tag this year.

This is 3 of the top 5 players on the team.

These guys are going to want a lot of guaranteed money, and I think it's going to be hard for the Bengals to pay that.

Thoughts...

[TJ528]

(11-20-2024, 03:30 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: So Trey Hendrickson demanded a trade this offseason. https://www.nfl.com/news/defensive-end-trey-hendrickson-requests-trade-from-bengals-team-says-it-won-t-move-him

He's leading the NFL in sacks now. He has 1 more year on his contract. Pretty obvious the Bengals need to pay him and extend him.

Ja'Marr Chase has 1 year left on his contract. They were unable to work out an extension this offseason. His value likely went up.

Tee Higgins is under the franchise tag this year.

This is 3 of the top 5 players on the team.

These guys are going to want a lot of guaranteed money, and I think it's going to be hard for the Bengals to pay that.

Thoughts...

I think you'll see Ja'marr go after a large contract, and the Bengals have to sign him this off season.  Tee will not be a Bengal next season.  He'll leave as a FA.  Trey Hendrickson will get resigned to a larger contract as well.  

The Bengals need to have a successful 2025 because of the contract with the city/county, season ticket holders, and sponsors.   

I think the P&G sponsorship this year will really help with those contracts and signing bonuses as well. 

[SunsetBengal]

(11-20-2024, 03:46 PM)TJ528 Wrote: I think you'll see Ja'marr go after a large contract, and the Bengals have to sign him this off season.  Tee will not be a Bengal next season.  He'll leave as a FA.  Trey Hendrickson will get resigned to a larger contract as well.  

The Bengals need to have a successful 2025 because of the contract with the city/county, season ticket holders, and sponsors.   

I think the P&G sponsorship this year will really help with those contracts and signing bonuses as well. 

It would have been nice to see the Bengals extend both of those guys prior to this season, since it was obvious that they had no intention of signing Higgins to a long term deal. With two years remaining on each of Chase and Hendrickson's contracts, it would have given an extra year to spread that guaranteed money over and ease the burden somewhat.

[Joelist]

They should sign Chase and give Tee one more try as him missing games again this year does hurt his value.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(11-20-2024, 03:46 PM)TJ528 Wrote: I think you'll see Ja'marr go after a large contract, and the Bengals have to sign him this off season.  Tee will not be a Bengal next season.  He'll leave as a FA.  Trey Hendrickson will get resigned to a larger contract as well.  

The Bengals need to have a successful 2025 because of the contract with the city/county, season ticket holders, and sponsors.   

I think the P&G sponsorship this year will really help with those contracts and signing bonuses as well. 

I am thinking the same. Ja'Marr will get his, same with Trey, Tee will go else where and play half the games for another team. Hopefully 
the Procter and Gamble sponsorship will help because Ja'Marr will without a doubt be the highest paid WR and Trey will be up there as 
far as Ends go.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(11-20-2024, 03:51 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It would have been nice to see the Bengals extend both of those guys prior to this season, since it was obvious that they had no intention of signing Higgins to a long term deal. With two years remaining on each of Chase and Hendrickson's contracts, it would have given an extra year to spread that guaranteed money over and ease the burden somewhat.

Yep, the FO screwed the pooch and will have to pay big time for it, at least with Chase. Trey couldn't get extended last Offseason as his 
deal didn't allow it. That was why it was so stupid of him and his agent to demand to be paid when they did right before the Draft.

[Destro]

Trey could get a big contract elsewhere and have a better chance of team success. Imagine the damage he could do on a team with even just an above average DE on the other side. He is dominating when the rest of the defense is steamy hot garbage.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(11-20-2024, 05:40 PM)Destro Wrote: Trey could get a big contract elsewhere and have a better chance of team success. Imagine the damage he could do on a team with even just an above average DE on the other side. He is dominating when the rest of the defense is steamy hot garbage.

And playing against LT's, the best pass protectors on NFL OL's. What Trey is doing as a pass rusher is pretty wild honestly.

Don't know if he can line up on the other side of the line like other pass rushers do and move around. Nick Bosa for example moves to 
both sides all the time to get the best matchup.

[WeezyBengal]

I think they will give trey and jamar a deal this off-season.

[WeezyBengal]

(11-20-2024, 03:46 PM)TJ528 Wrote: I think you'll see Ja'marr go after a large contract, and the Bengals have to sign him this off season.  Tee will not be a Bengal next season.  He'll leave as a FA.  Trey Hendrickson will get resigned to a larger contract as well.  

The Bengals need to have a successful 2025 because of the contract with the city/county, season ticket holders, and sponsors.   

I think the P&G sponsorship this year will really help with those contracts and signing bonuses as well. 

They get 400 million from the league annually. 

They are fine. 

[THE PISTONS]

(11-20-2024, 03:46 PM)TJ528 Wrote: I think you'll see Ja'marr go after a large contract, and the Bengals have to sign him this off season.  Tee will not be a Bengal next season.  He'll leave as a FA.  Trey Hendrickson will get resigned to a larger contract as well.  

The Bengals need to have a successful 2025 because of the contract with the city/county, season ticket holders, and sponsors.   

I think the P&G sponsorship this year will really help with those contracts and signing bonuses as well. 

The issue doesn't seem to be the 'large contract' part. They supposedly agreed on the money.

It was the guaranteed portion and when the payments happened. ie Structure of the contract. I think that's going to be hard to work out without the Bengals coming off of their stance.

[*jason*]

As a rule of thumb... I'm totally against extending guys over 30. I'll make an exception for the top of the top elite. Trey Hendrickson isn't that. We got the best years of his career, and it's best to be a year too early than a year too late.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(11-21-2024, 12:13 AM)jason Wrote: As a rule of thumb... I'm totally against extending guys over 30. I'll make an exception for the top of the top elite. Trey Hendrickson isn't that. We got the best years of his career, and it's best to be a year too early than a year too late.

I'd be all for giving him like a massive raise for next year, but I agree that I don't really want to be tied to him with a large amount of guaranteed money for his age 32 and 33 seasons which is likely what any extension would entail. It's tough because without him we have no pass rush, and he's a great pass rusher, but once a player is in their 30s you risk them just absolutely falling off a cliff without much notice. 

I think ultimately I would see if a $5-6m raise to $21-22m in cash (so he'd only be $3.5-4.5m more of a cap hit than he is in 2024) in 2025 would make him happy. If it doesn't, I think you trade him to an NFC team who thinks they're a pass rusher away and is willing to pay out the nose for him.

[Sled21]

(11-21-2024, 12:13 AM)jason Wrote: As a rule of thumb... I'm totally against extending guys over 30. I'll make an exception for the top of the top elite. Trey Hendrickson isn't that. We got the best years of his career, and it's best to be a year too early than a year too late.

Oh god, the Whitworth Army is gonna come at ya with thinking like that.....

[WeezyBengal]

(11-21-2024, 12:13 AM)jason Wrote: As a rule of thumb... I'm totally against extending guys over 30. I'll make an exception for the top of the top elite. Trey Hendrickson isn't that. We got the best years of his career, and it's best to be a year too early than a year too late.

This way of thinking is what has gotten us in trouble in the past. 

You can't just say "anyone over 30, im not extending". You need to look at each case in a vaccum. Roster construction, position, how the player is playing, injury history, etc. all come into play. 

It's also not 1995. Players are playing and being productive longer than ever and are taking care of their bodies more than ever. The science behind recovry, injury prevention, and body maintenance has evolved massivly. 

Not saying we should/shouldn't do it with Trey, but there have been a lot of cases of guys playing into their 30s who have been VERY productive. Henry, Zeitler, Calias Cambell, Whitworth, Trent Williams, etc. 

[THE PISTONS]

(11-21-2024, 11:02 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: This way of thinking is what has gotten us in trouble in the past. 

You can't just say "anyone over 30, im not extending". You need to look at each case in a vaccum. Roster construction, position, how the player is playing, injury history, etc. all come into play. 

It's also not 1995. Players are playing and being productive longer than ever and are taking care of their bodies more than ever. The science behind recovry, injury prevention, and body maintenance has evolved massivly. 

Not saying we should/shouldn't do it with Trey, but there have been a lot of cases of guys playing into their 30s who has been VERY productive. Henry, Zeitler, Calias Cambell, Whitworth, Trent Williams, etc. 

Not extending guys over 30...also puts more of a premium on drafting and scouting.

These are double-edged swords.

[WeezyBengal]

(11-21-2024, 11:04 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Not extending guys over 30...also puts more of a premium on drafting and scouting.

These are double-edged swords.

Based on age alone, you are basically eliminating about half the league when trying to find players via free agency.

You didn't even give Calias Cambell a sniff this off-season because he is "over 30 years old". Imagine that way of thinking. 

[THE PISTONS]

(11-21-2024, 11:09 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Based on age alone, you are basically eliminating about half the league when trying to find players via free agency.

You didn't even give Calias Cambell a sniff this off-season because he is "over 30 years old". Imagine that way of thinking. 

Yep. And 1st Round picks get 5 year deals. Generally, the good ones get a 2nd contract. Even non-1st Round picks are restricted, so they get 2nd contracts.

So free agency is basically signing guys to a 3rd contract, or taking a chance on guys that teams didn't deem worthy of a 2nd contract.

Hendrickson? He had 1 really good year with NO in his contract year. Teams were hesitant to pay him. Even the contract he got with us kind of had ways out in it if he didn't produce. It was kind of a prove it deal.

[SunsetBengal]

(11-21-2024, 11:09 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Based on age alone, you are basically eliminating about half the league when trying to find players via free agency.

You didn't even give Calias Cambell a sniff this off-season because he is "over 30 years old". Imagine that way of thinking. 

The real irony is that Campbell wasn't signed by the Dolphins until mid June. The Bengals management made a conscious decision to go into this season without a proven, capable NT on the roster. (I realize that Campbell is playing DE in Miami's odd front defense, but he's way more capable on NT in an even front than Rankins)

[Sled21]

And to be honest, Trey did not DEMAND a trade, he asked for a new contract or to be traded. They told him not now, and he accepted it. That is not the same ballpark as a demand.