Tee Higgins firing his agent... Who is also Jessie Bates agent?

[BengalsLUFC]

Rumour is he’s going with Burrow’s agent.

Think there’s a high probability this gets done.

With 9 1 and 5 yes it’s gonna take away from FA signings which is why it’s so important to improve the scouting network and get coaches in who will improve draft picks.

Is it the most sensible thing to do to pay all 3? Probably not is it going to be ***** exciting to watch and make us feel like we have a chance every game? Too fucjing right buzzing with this news.

[Big Boss]

If they find a way to do this, they need to clean house with the defensive coaching staff and get coaches in here that can actually develop draft picks.  Burrow, Chase and Higgins under contract means the defense is going to live or die by the draft and value FAs.

And there's still the offensive line.  Need at least two starting Guards.  Unless you re-sign Brown, move Karras to LG and put Lee in at C.

[Nicomo Cosca]

Joe Burrow was asked if he'd be disappointed in the front office, if they weren't able to get a deal done with Tee Higgins:

"I'd be very disappointed in that."

Later, he was asked if he considers Higgins a "need" for the team.

Burrow responded:
"Tee is a need."

— Caleb Noe (@CalebNoeTV) December 11, 2024

Yeah, I think there’s something to this after all.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

Of all the things for Burrow to flex his leverage on, he chooses a WR2 rather than an entire IOL... or a good DC.

[sandwedge]

(12-11-2024, 10:18 PM)Big Boss Wrote: If they find a way to do this, they need to clean house with the defensive coaching staff and get coaches in here that can actually develop draft picks.  Burrow, Chase and Higgins under contract means the defense is going to live or die by the draft and value FAs.

And there's still the offensive line.  Need at least two starting Guards.  Unless you re-sign Brown, move Karras to LG and put Lee in at C.

I am not so sure Karras is the answer to LG, if we are being honest. I've seen quite a few bad plays from #64, not Cappa bad, but still not good

[jj22]

This could have waited until the offseason. This season is clearly behind Joe.

[samhain]

I'm fairly torn on whether Tee should be re-signed or not. On one hand, extending 1, 9, and 5 will make roster building tough. On the other hand, sometimes a known commodity of a player is worth more than draft capital.

I know it's not a balanced approach, but letting our good players walk has been less than ideal lately.

Regardless of what transpires, the defense needs an overhaul. If Tee signs elsewhere, they need a defensive overhaul and a replacement at no2 wr. If they keep Tee, they can focus solely on the defense in the draft and FA.

Chase's situation is the most interesting to me out of the 3. Maybe he wants to work things out to keep the gang together. I don't know. The guy has a legit argument for being the best player in the league right now.

When it comes to players and money, taking discounts is by far the exception more than the rule. I'll believe that these guys are willing to do it when I see it happen and not a minute sooner.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-11-2024, 10:58 PM)sandwedge Wrote: I am not so sure Karras is the answer to LG, if we are being honest. I've seen quite a few bad plays from #64, not Cappa bad, but still not good

Karras has the 3rd best pass blocking grade (76.2) in the league at center after only Creed Humphrey and Luke Wattenberg. That’s pretty good considering the scrubs he has playing next to him.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-11-2024, 10:59 PM)jj22 Wrote: This could have waited until the offseason. This season is clearly behind Joe.

Imagine actually thinking this is a guy who’s checked out on the season.

In each of his last 5 games, the @Bengals' Joe Burrow has:

- completed 25+ passes
- thrown for 250+ yards
- thrown 3+ TD passes
- had no more than 1 INT

No other QB in NFL history has done that in more than 3 consecutive games. pic.twitter.com/c24vuHYJpn

— OptaSTATS (@OptaSTATS) December 10, 2024

Joe Burrow has been elite this season ? pic.twitter.com/6K0goYK3ru

— PFF (@PFF) December 11, 2024

Adjusted EPA + PFF Grade blend

Joe Burrow lmao pic.twitter.com/6nhqmLOI5h

— Computer Cowboy (@benbbaldwin) December 11, 2024

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(12-11-2024, 11:21 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

In each of his last 5 games, the @Bengals' Joe Burrow has:

- completed 25+ passes
- thrown for 250+ yards
- thrown 3+ TD passes
- had no more than 1 INT

No other QB in NFL history has done that in more than 3 consecutive games. pic.twitter.com/c24vuHYJpn

— OptaSTATS (@OptaSTATS) December 10, 2024

Statistically in isolation it's a good streak, but I do wonder what that record would be like if the 25 pass completions requirement was removed. 

I imagine there'd be some other folks with longer streaks, but weren't out there chucking the ball 44 times a game like Burrow which over a season would be the NFL record for pass attempts. Though I guess Stafford's 16 game season record would have still been highest if the average was added on for an extra game.

Also we really need a new HC/OC so we can get away from throwing so damn much. It's not a coincidence that we went to the Super Bowl the year Burrow had the lest pass attempts per game of his career. 

Of the top-10 pass attempt seasons in NFL history, half of the teams didn't make the playoffs and the other half of the teams went 1-5 in the postseason. The only win was '21 Brady, after '20 when they won the SB with him throwing the ball 109 times less in 1 less game.

We don't need an insanely top-heavy passing attack team, we need a great weapon (Chase) for our great QB (Burrow) and then we need a quality balanced team around them.

[Frank Booth]

(12-12-2024, 12:50 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Also we really need a new HC/OC so we can get away from throwing so damn much. It's not a coincidence that we went to the Super Bowl the year Burrow had the lest pass attempts per game of his career. 

Of the top-10 pass attempt seasons in NFL history, half of the teams didn't make the playoffs and the other half of the teams went 1-5 in the postseason. The only win was '21 Brady, after '20 when they won the SB with him throwing the ball 109 times less in 1 less game.

We don't need an insanely top-heavy passing attack team, we need a great weapon (Chase) for our great QB (Burrow) and then we need a quality balanced team around them.

its a coincidence. 

but they should run the ball a little more

[*rfaulk34*]

(12-11-2024, 06:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I've heard that before, but never seen any stats on what percentage of his athletes move on after their rookie contract expires. Not even sure where to look for those stats, anyone have some insight?

Mulgahelahahagoettasoup is the kind of agent you want to hire if you're looking for the biggest bag. If you have other motivations...he's not the guy.

[Bengalbug]

Considering the not great crop of Free agents (tee is looking like a top 3 option this offseason), the lack of guaranteed money on the books for 2025 and the rising cap, I say pay him. It’s a risk with the injury history, but he is our 3rd or 4th best player on the team.

This team will need a lot of new faces, and there won’t be many impact FA this year.

If the money is right, maybe go after a guy like Khalil Mack and Hassan Rodrick, and can flip Hendrickson for some picks to help alleviate cap concerns. Essentially a slight downgrade, but quantity in players.

Hope a new DC can get more out of the guys on that side of the ball.

Need an IOL or two as well.

Signing Tee helps from WR being a drastic hole, and gives us some positional strengths over other teams.

If/when you want to move off of Tee, likely due to cap concerns, you could always trade him then. Davante Adams, at 31, still netted a good return.

[CJD]

I don't know if David Mulugheta personally hates the Bengals or if the Bengals hate David Mulugheta, but either way, it's nice to see one of our players fire him. Our franchise has NEVER been able to make a deal with this agent.

[SunsetBengal]

(12-12-2024, 11:16 AM)CJD Wrote: I don't know if David Mulugheta personally hates the Bengals or if the Bengals hate David Mulugheta, but either way, it's nice to see one of our players fire him. Our franchise has NEVER been able to make a deal with this agent.

Any idea as to how many former Bengals he's represented?

[CJD]

(12-11-2024, 06:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I've heard that before, but never seen any stats on what percentage of his athletes move on after their rookie contract expires. Not even sure where to look for those stats, anyone have some insight?

I was curious about this too, so I went to his website where it lists all his past and current clients.
https://fanspo.com/nfl/agents/david-mulugheta/45657

Overall, he has 49 clients listed.

Then I checked each player for a few things:
1. If they are still on the same team that they were drafted to (or had been when they left the league).
2. If they had signed a contract extension with that original team
3. If they were traded at any point.

The third topic only came up because as I was going through the wikipedia pages of these players, I noticed an uncanny number of them had been traded.

Without further ado:
1. Only 37% of his clients, past and current, started their career with one team and still remain on that same team.  This includes players on their rookie contracts, which have not had a chance to test free agency and/or were franchise tagged. So this number will likely shrink, as Tee Higgins, CJ Stroud, Kyle Pitts, Jaycee Horn, Broderick Jones, Micah Parsons, Nolan Smith, Odafe Oweh, Jevon Holland, Andre Cisco, Brandon Stephens, Joseph Ossai, and Malcolm Koonce have all not had an opportunity to test free agency in earnest yet. Now, this may not be a fair metric, as there are very few players who stay with their original team for their entire careers. That's why I created the second topic.

2. 40.6% of his clients, past and current, signed extensions or second contracts with their originally drafted teams. This does not include players who either flamed out of the league or were not desired free agents by their original team, like Kadeem Edwards, Corey Coleman, or Deionte Thompson. This also does not include the aforementioned players who have not yet had an opportunity to reach free agency. So this feels like a much more accurate representation of how many players sign with their original team when that resigning was desired by the team than the first topic. And I was very surprised how low it was (and how close it was to the first topic).

3. Finally, the number of players who either demanded a trade or were traded during their careers. The vast majority of which were from their original team. It was only 22%, but still struck me as unusually high. 10 of his 49 clients were traded at least once in their career, and another one (Earl Thomas) demanded a trade before ultimately showing up to camp and then breaking his leg (notoriously flipping off the Seahawks as he was carted off the field). The other 10 are Deshaun Watson, Jalen Ramsey, Justin Fields, Isaiah Simmons, Gabe Jackson, Melvin Ingram, Corey Coleman, Quandre Diggs, Kevin Byard, and Jermaine Eluemunor.

I don't know what to do with this information, but my general takeaways are that if Mulugheta is your favorite player's agent, there's roughly a 50% chance that that player will either not re-sign past their rookie contract or will demand a trade at some point, even if they sign an extension/non-rookie contract (as Watson, Diggs, Ingram, and Thomas)

I compiled this information mostly through Wikipedia, but I also used my own memory of these players and their situations as well, so forgive me if 1 or 2 results are slightly off. I checked over half of the players' wikipedia pages though, so I think this is a pretty accurate representation of his client base.

(12-12-2024, 11:17 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Any idea as to how many former Bengals he's represented?

There was obviously Higgins and Bates.


But he also represents Joseph Ossai.

In addition, he represented Jermaine Eluemunor, a tackle that was consistently tied to the Bengals in free agency and kept signing reasonable contracts for his perceived value as a starting RT, but the Bengals never seemed interested in him. I wonder if his agent of choice had anything to do with that.

Xavier McKinney was another free agent that was tied to the Bengals this past off season, but we went with Geno Stone instead. That one stings, as McKinney is balling out this year.

[SunsetBengal]

(12-12-2024, 12:31 PM)CJD Wrote: I was curious about this too, so I went to his website where it lists all his past and current clients.
https://fanspo.com/nfl/agents/david-mulugheta/45657

Overall, he has 49 clients listed.

Then I checked each player for a few things:
1. If they are still on the same team that they were drafted to (or had been when they left the league).
2. If they had signed a contract extension with that original team
3. If they were traded at any point.

The third topic only came up because as I was going through the wikipedia pages of these players, I noticed an uncanny number of them had been traded.

Without further ado:
1. Only 37% of his clients, past and current, started their career with one team and still remain on that same team.  This includes players on their rookie contracts, which have not had a chance to test free agency and/or were franchise tagged. So this number will likely shrink, as Tee Higgins, CJ Stroud, Kyle Pitts, Jaycee Horn, Broderick Jones, Micah Parsons, Nolan Smith, Odafe Oweh, Jevon Holland, Andre Cisco, Brandon Stephens, Joseph Ossai, and Malcolm Koonce have all not had an opportunity to test free agency in earnest yet. Now, this may not be a fair metric, as there are very few players who stay with their original team for their entire careers. That's why I created the second topic.

2. 40.6% of his clients, past and current, signed extensions or second contracts with their originally drafted teams. This does not include players who either flamed out of the league or were not desired free agents by their original team, like Kadeem Edwards, Corey Coleman, or Deionte Thompson. This also does not include the aforementioned players who have not yet had an opportunity to reach free agency. So this feels like a much more accurate representation of how many players sign with their original team when that resigning was desired by the team than the first topic. And I was very surprised how low it was (and how close it was to the first topic).

3. Finally, the number of players who either demanded a trade or were traded during their careers. The vast majority of which were from their original team. It was only 22%, but still struck me as unusually high. 10 of his 49 clients were traded at least once in their career, and another one (Earl Thomas) demanded a trade before ultimately showing up to camp and then breaking his leg (notoriously flipping off the Seahawks as he was carted off the field). The other 10 are Deshaun Watson, Jalen Ramsey, Justin Fields, Isaiah Simmons, Gabe Jackson, Melvin Ingram, Corey Coleman, Quandre Diggs, Kevin Byard, and Jermaine Eluemunor.

I don't know what to do with this information, but my general takeaways are that if Mulugheta is your favorite player's agent, there's roughly a 50% chance that that player will either not re-sign past their rookie contract or will demand a trade at some point, even if they sign an extension/non-rookie contract (as Watson, Diggs, Ingram, and Thomas)

I compiled this information mostly through Wikipedia, but I also used my own memory of these players and their situations as well, so forgive me if 1 or 2 results are slightly off. I checked over half of the players' wikipedia pages though, so I think this is a pretty accurate representation of his client base.


There was obviously Higgins and Bates.


But he also represents Joseph Ossai.

In addition, he represented Jermaine Eluemunor, a tackle that was consistently tied to the Bengals in free agency and kept signing reasonable contracts for his perceived value as a starting RT, but the Bengals never seemed interested in him. I wonder if his agent of choice had anything to do with that.

Xavier McKinney was another free agent that was tied to the Bengals this past off season, but we went with Geno Stone instead. That one stings, as McKinney is balling out this year.

Nice work, definitely gives a more complete picture of Mulugheta as a agent and how original drafting teams fare with him.

[sandwedge]

(12-11-2024, 11:06 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Karras has the 3rd best pass blocking grade (76.2) in the league at center after only Creed Humphrey and Luke Wattenberg. That’s pretty good considering the scrubs he has playing next to him.

I don't agree with that

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-12-2024, 12:50 PM)sandwedge Wrote: I don't agree with that

Ok lol.

He’s only given up 2 sacks in 13 games (847 snaps), and again, he has two of the worst guards in the entire league next to him. His run blocking is where he falls short. But that’s true of the entire OL.

[NotBigzo]

I really feel for Tee here if he's making decisions based on feelings and wanting to play with his friends.

He's doing himself a disservice by firing Mulghetta.