Let’s Talk Pollack; Again

[jj22]

(12-19-2024, 01:22 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Bengals 2023 pp w/ Tee: 20.3
Bengals 2023 ppg w/o Tee: 24.4

Bengals 2023 ppg w/ Burrow: 20.2
Bengals 2023 ppg w/o Burrow: 23.4

Bengals 2022 ppg w/ Chase: 25.5
Bengals 2022 ppg w/o Chase: 28.0

Clearly we should just cut Tee, and Burrow, and Chase and get even better on offense. It doesn't matter who we played when they were out vs when they were in, or any other circumstances like the traditional Taylor shitty start to seasons. We scored more points when they were out, so clearly we're better without them. PPG says it's so.

I wouldn’t insinuate the Offense got worse with those players out then. Sure people would but the only thing that matters is ppg. The “ton of help” needed to get through those games that led to higher ppg’s can’t be considered a knock on anyone if it meant production. 

Matter of fact you can say that was good coaching..

[jj22]

(12-19-2024, 01:24 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: It’s not really about it being worse. It’s just another thing the coaches have to worry about with the game plan. Hell, Drew Sample had a pass blocking grade of 35.7 against the Titans. That has to be one of his worst ever. He obviously wouldn’t have to help chip as much with Orlando playing.

Coaches worried about it and they solved it. And the offense reached greater heights. Who gets the credit for it? Zac hasn’t. Pollack hasn’t. We can give credit where it’s due even if overall Pollack hasn’t been great. 

This is still his best year coaching given what he worked with, and the Offense not missing a beat and actually improving. 

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-19-2024, 01:37 AM)jj22 Wrote: Coaches worried about it and they solved it. And the offense reached greater heights. Who gets the credit for it? Zac hasn’t. Pollack hasn’t. We can give credit where it’s due even if overall Pollack hasn’t been great. 

This is still his best year coaching given what he worked with, and the Offense not missing a beat and actually improving. 

Way too small of a sample size to proclaim it’s “solved.” Surviving a few games against terrible teams is one thing, having to rely on Cody Ford or Devon Cochran for the majority of a season would be quite another. It’s crazy to think there’s no drop off going from Orlando to backups and 3rd stringers.

That would be like thinking everything was “solved” during our last playoff run when we survived with Carman, Scharping, Adeniji, etc for a couple games.

[Frank Booth]

(12-19-2024, 02:06 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Way too small of a sample size to proclaim it’s “solved.” Surviving a few games against terrible teams is one thing, having to rely on Cody Ford or Devon Cochran for the majority of a season would be quite another. It’s crazy to think there’s no drop off going from Orlando to backups and 3rd stringers.

That would be like thinking everything was “solved” during our last playoff run when we survived with Carman, Scharping, Adeniji, etc for a couple games.

people really think that way though lol

[Essex Johnson]

Pollock should have been 1st main assistant to be let go before this season and little has changed, hopefully we will move on from him after this season.

[Sled21]

(12-18-2024, 11:00 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Burrow gets hit "only" 6 and 8 times in wins against shitty teams, and we get a thread where we erase that the 3 weeks before that players recorded 38 QB Hits against Burrow.

This is just like earlier in the year when people were like "yay, the defense is fixed!" after the Giants and Browns game.

Half or more of Burrow's hits are Burrow's fault for holding the ball too long.

[*ochocincos*]

Bengals are tied for 15th in the league in sacks allowed per game at 2.4.
Previous year, they were 25th at 2.9 sacks allowed per game.
Year before that, 26th at 2.8 sacks allowed per game.
In 2021, they were last place at 3.5 sacks allowed per game.

They are doing better than previous years, albeit we still feel like Burrow takes too many hits.
Chase Brown is also doing well at RB, so that combined with the reduced average in sacks might result in FO feeling like Pollack is on the upswing and worth keeping around.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-19-2024, 09:05 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Half or more of Burrow's hits are Burrow's fault for holding the ball too long.

That’s quite an exaggeration. And even if it was anywhere near that much he evens it out scrambling around and getting out of dead to rights sacks only a weekly basis.

[*Synric*]

Devin Cochran vs Myles Garrett is not a matchup I'm looking forward too.

[SunsetBengal]

(12-19-2024, 10:24 AM)Synric Wrote: Devin Cochran vs Myles Garrett is not a matchup I'm looking forward too.

What's the deal with Cody Ford, shouldn't he be back in action? I thought that he just had the flu or something?

[*Synric*]

(12-19-2024, 10:30 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: What's the deal with Cody Ford, shouldn't he be back in action? I thought that he just had the flu or something?

Yea it was the flu. He will probabaly be ready. 


Cody Ford vs Myles Garrett is not a matchup I'm looking forward too... lol.

[WeezyBengal]

Front office did him no favors. They didn't upgrade the interior this offseason and didn't add any quality depth. You can't bench Cappa or Volson because you don't have a solid option off the bench.

Same thing can be said about this defense. You can't bench Vonn Bell, Hubbard, etc. because all you have coming off the bench are rookies or unproven players that aren't talented.

I don't know if Lou and Pollack are good coaches or not. What I do know is that they are AT LEAST the product of their enviornment.

[WeezyBengal]

(12-19-2024, 01:18 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Eh, I’m indifferent towards Pollack at this point. The real problem has always been Duke. He can’t draft trenches to save his life. The OL specifically has been a problem since 2016. That’s a long time in NFL years to not get things straightened out.

That and the fact that you saw the decline of Cappa coming from a mile away (did not play great last year, was injured) and Volson continuing to struggle at times and you did nothing in FA to grab a solid backup guard or take a more polished one earlier in the draft. 

Piss poor hindsight and roster management. 

[WeezyBengal]

(12-19-2024, 09:05 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Half or more of Burrow's hits are Burrow's fault for holding the ball too long.

It's called "playing out of structure", read a book. 

[SunsetBengal]

(12-19-2024, 10:33 AM)Synric Wrote: Yea it was the flu. He will probabaly be ready. 


Cody Ford vs Myles Garrett is not a matchup I'm looking forward too... lol.

Perhaps they should give Ford the upper hand, by running the ball straight at Myles Garrett?

[*ochocincos*]

(12-19-2024, 10:16 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That’s quite an exaggeration. And even if it was anywhere near that much he evens it out scrambling around and getting out of dead to rights sacks only a weekly basis.

And if the receivers were able to get open quicker (or better play calling that allowed them to get open quicker), maybe Burrow wouldn't have to hold onto the ball so long and turn water into wine out there.

[XenoMorph]

(12-19-2024, 11:06 AM)ochocincos Wrote: And if the receivers were able to get open quicker (or better play calling that allowed them to get open quicker), maybe Burrow wouldn't have to hold onto the ball so long and turn water into wine out there.

yeah it all adds up

[SunsetBengal]

(12-19-2024, 11:06 AM)ochocincos Wrote: And if the receivers were able to get open quicker (or better play calling that allowed them to get open quicker), maybe Burrow wouldn't have to hold onto the ball so long and turn water into wine out there.

Doesn't Burrow alter the called play at the line, based upon what he's reading before the snap?

[*ochocincos*]

(12-19-2024, 11:16 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Doesn't Burrow alter the called play at the line, based upon what he's reading before the snap?

I am sure to some extent, but from my understanding, they only typically have a few options when it comes to changed plays at the LOS, right?

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-19-2024, 10:33 AM)Synric Wrote: Yea it was the flu. He will probabaly be ready. 


Cody Ford vs Myles Garrett is not a matchup I'm looking forward too... lol.

Alex Cappa vs anyone is not a matchup I’m looking forward to.

(12-19-2024, 11:16 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Doesn't Burrow alter the called play at the line, based upon what he's reading before the snap?

I believe Zac gives him 2 plays to choose from and he can check out of run or pass but it’s not like he can just call whatever he wants.