Tee vs a NEW D

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-29-2024, 01:36 PM)jason Wrote: So now let's let the third best player on the team go so we can unwisely spend money on other positions of need (and also creating another position of need)?

Also this lil streak has ensured there won't be any coaching changes. So I'm sure Lou and the boys will do a lot better job with their next batch of Rankins types.

I’d say Tee is 4th best. But he’s also much younger than Trey.

[ERIC1]

(12-29-2024, 01:39 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: “Easily replaceable” is a bit much.

actually he is..Tee Higgins is one of those receivers that is an absolute brilliant artist and can make catches that many others cant ..those brilliant catches are far and few between..we need a number 2-3 receiver that can stay healthy..run their routes and make 10-12-14 yard catches..there are many playing now in college and the NFL...the real problem with this organization, more often than not,  is that they cant identify goodplayers in college that will transition well to the NFL etc..IF they can afford to keep Higgins so be it..but we will always be where we are.".close but no cigar" until organizational changes are made  and we enlarge and enhance our scouting department

[ERIC1]

(12-29-2024, 11:38 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Yep

I believe the people thinking Yoshi is a true #2 may be stretching thigs a bit? 

#3? perhaps

again..that comes down to player developmentt..or lack thereof , on this team..Yoahsi has the skills to be a number 2..why has he not gotten more reps..Burton..not so much

[*jason*]

(12-29-2024, 01:44 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: actually he is..Tee Higgins is one of those receivers that is an absolute brilliant artist and can make catches that many others cant ..those brilliant catches are far and few between..we need a number 2-3 receiver that can stay healthy..run their routes and make 10-12-14 yard catches..there are many playing now in college and the NFL...the real problem with this organization, more often than not,  is that they cant identify goodplayers in college that will transition well to the NFL etc..IF they can afford to keep Higgins so be it..but we will always be where we are.".close but no cigar" until organizational changes are made  and we enlarge and enhance our scouting department

We can all get behind that sentiment...

[ERIC1]

(12-29-2024, 01:15 PM)samhain Wrote: I think the league and other organizations will make the decision for the Bengals.  Tee is going to have teams beating down the door to offer him huge, guaranteed money.  Any illusion that he wouldn't ended tonight, and was probably unrealistic to begin with.  Bad receiver draft, no challenger on the open market to his spot at the top of the FA heap.

Tee's a good guy, but he's not a martyr.  That expectation isn't even fair to him.  He needs to go and get paid to secure his future.  He's earned it.  

It would take some major sacrifice and crazy cap gymnastics to keep all three of our stars here.  Even if it happens, they're just holding serve.

everyone likes Tee Higgins..including myself..he will not leave the Bengals and go to Siberia and dig ditches in minus 20 degree weather..He will go to another club , play the game he loves and make over another 100 million dollars before he ends his career..H might even be a number 1 receiver on another club if he can stay healthy

[samhain]

(12-29-2024, 01:40 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: No team can beat down his door if Bengals tag him while they attempt to sign him to a long-term deal or trade him.

We have too many average players making big bucks.
Hubbard - 11.6 million
Cappa - 10,250 million
Rankins - 12,5 million
Stone - 7.9 million
Moss - 4.9 million

We would create some dead cap, but ass a ton of cash and cap space. We have Sample and Johnson to replace Hubbard. We have Jenkins and Jackson to replace Rankins. We have Chase Brown to replace Moss. We have some young safeties to compete to replace Stone. We would need to add 2 guards via FA or the draft. If we cut all 5, it would create 32 million in cap space to go with the 59 million we have now.

We get a pass rushing DE for 10 million, guys like Clowney seem to always be available. if we focus on stud DE pass rushers, we become much better attempting to protect a lead.

90 million is a lot of cap space. Tee can get paid, and his contract could be structured to use less cap space in years 1 and 2. We know what we have in Tee Higgins, he will not be easily replaced with a plug and play WR2 either in draft or FA. 

I too have been all over the board. I hope we keep him. If not, I hope we tag and trade him prior to the 2025 draft. His value just went up after yesterday.

You are leaving out a Chase extension, which should be mandatory.  

Tag and trade is a fine idea, but if you end up with the tag part, you're still on the hook for a nice chunk at that position.  I do think that this offseason will be an ideal time for a tag and trade.  Less receiver talent available.  Still, you're playing chicken with the league in that scenario.

I also dislike the idea of bringing both top wrs back without extensions.  It's a bad vibe and IMO impacted the early games. Ja'marr's deal needs to get done early in the offseason.  There's no excuse this time.  

I'm. huge believer that an investment in the pass rush will fix most of the issues on defense.  Hubbard should not block anyone in 2025.  It's time to get a real compliment to Trey.  Get opposing quarterbacks under pressure and get the ball back into the hands of your MVP caliber qb.  

[*jason*]

(12-29-2024, 01:41 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I’d say Tee is 4th best. But he’s also much younger than Trey.

Yeah Trey is older (a lot of us are all for dumping money into guys over 30... I don't like the idea), and they both have their weaknesses. Tee has soft tissue problems, and Trey can be erased with a heavy run game plan. I'd love to keep both, but I certainly don't wanna overdo it on Trey Hendrickson just because nobody else can get pressure. Nobody else can do Tee Higgins things either.

[ERIC1]

(12-29-2024, 01:19 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: He has not shown it yet.

Gesicki has been a solid possession receiver so far, which the Bengals are in need of. Would be great is Eric All could stay healthy an entire season, making the TE room a strength, rather than a revolving door.

Need to improve the IOL and defense in the draft and free agency.

Given time in the pocket, Burrow could make Drew Sample look like Tony Gonzales.

He has shown his ability to run routes, make catches, some difficult..what has not been given to him are an adequate number of reps

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(12-29-2024, 01:39 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: “Easily replaceable” is a bit much.

He is a big possession receiver, working opposite the best WR in the game who takes most of the attention of the defense, and catching balls from Joe Burrow. One might argue Gesiski could step strongly into that role, garnering more attention from Burrow. Like to see him become the possession guy we had in Boyd, that has been missing from this team.

That said, Tee is very good at contested catches and stretching the field. If the Bengals moved on from him, they need to re-sign Gesiski and get more than fool's gold from Burton.

[ERIC1]

(12-29-2024, 01:36 PM)jason Wrote: So now let's let the third best player on the team go so we can unwisely spend money on other positions of need (and also creating another position of need)?

Also this lil streak has ensured there won't be any coaching changes. So I'm sure Lou and the boys will do a lot better job with their next batch of Rankins types.

statistically..the Bengals do very well even when Higgins is not in the game..the biggest question this off-season is not Higgins..and hopefully Burrow has inputed by now...is the scouting department..or lack thereof..and as you alluded to a number of coaches that should be gone  I don't care what the team does or players that hey acquire..if this is not addressed..we may come close..but "never get the cigar"..Let us hope ..keep our fingers crossed that some definitive changes are made

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(12-29-2024, 01:41 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I’d say Tee is 4th best. But he’s also much younger than Trey.

Way too generous for a WR who is playing opposite Chase, who gets all of the defensive attention, and catching balls from a top 3 QB, saying top 3 to eliminate argument. 

He has not battled the #1 CB, garnered extra attention from a defense, or play with a non-elite QB.

If he goes to another team, he will underwhelm, as Bengals receiver's have done historically.

[ERIC1]

(12-29-2024, 01:52 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: He is a big possession receiver, working opposite the best WR in the game who takes most of the attention of the defense, and catching balls from Joe Burrow. One might argue Gesiski could step strongly into that role, garnering more attention from Burrow. Like to see him become the possession guy we had in Boyd, that has been missing from this team.

That said, Tee is very good at contested catches and stretching the field. If the Bengals moved on from him, they need to re-sign Gesiski and get more than fool's gold from Burton.

we certainly need receivers that can take the pressure off Chase..I am watching college games and see a ton of athletically inclined exceptional receivers..and not just the Burtons of the world that can run fast down field and make catches..I think with more reps Yoshi will be a good number 2 three reciever

[ERIC1]

(12-28-2024, 11:28 PM)QueenCity Wrote: I think Tee forced the Bengals hand tonight.... they likely will re-sign him.

I'm still in the camp of loading up on defense and taking a shot at a WR in Round 1 but it is what it is.

There is no denying if Tee stays on the field it helps our offense 10 fold.

thats a big "if".. if we can get a couple of 2-3 receivers that can just run routes  10-15 yards and catch the ball it would help considerably.Yoshi with more reps may be one

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-29-2024, 01:51 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: He has shown his ability to run routes, make catches, some difficult..what has not been given to him are an adequate number of reps

This is just not true. He’s played 78% of the offensive snaps, and had a huge opportunity to step up with all the games Tee missed.

[*Go Cards*]

(12-29-2024, 11:38 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Yep

I believe the people thinking Yoshi is a true #2 may be stretching thigs a bit? 

#3? perhaps

Really like me some Yoshi but agree completely that he is not a legit #2. Although he definitely proved wrong the folks who wanted to keep horrible WR's just because they're good ST players. 

Wouldn't mind adding a TE and letting Gesicki play the slot next year. 

Yet if Tee is traded ? A 1st round selection should be used on his replacement. Which hopefully would be received in trade and then go buy a $20 million star player in FA.

 

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-29-2024, 01:52 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: He is a big possession receiver, working opposite the best WR in the game who takes most of the attention of the defense, and catching balls from Joe Burrow. One might argue Gesiski could step strongly into that role, garnering more attention from Burrow. Like to see him become the possession guy we had in Boyd, that has been missing from this team.

That said, Tee is very good at contested catches and stretching the field. If the Bengals moved on from him, they need to re-sign Gesiski and get more than fool's gold from Burton.

That would be a pretty bad argument. I like Gesicki well enough, but he’s not giving you 1k yards and double digit TD’s. If Tee walks WR2 instantly becomes one of their biggest needs.

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(12-29-2024, 01:59 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: we certainly need receivers that can take the pressure off Chase..I am watching college games and see a ton of athletically inclined exceptional receivers..and not just the Burtons of the world that can run fast down field and make catches..I think with more reps Yoshi will be a good number 2 three reciever

I am all for giving reps to  the back ups, and it would definitely help Yoshi develop, but he seems too soft to be a possession guy IMO.

Would love to see the Bengals burn a 3-5 round pick on a pure possession guy, like they had in Housh and Boyd, to give Joe that security blanket when the o-line craps the bed and he is running for his life. Then using that Tee money to shore up the IOL and defense.

I do not watch much college football, more of a rugby guy...

[Whacked]

I think most of these votes came in post-Broncos game as Tee showed up BIG.

I also think the D did “enough” to make some forget just how bad this D has been most of the season.

If the D was even an unimpressive 5 out of 10 all year, we’d be in the playoffs.

I love me some Tee but we need to spend loot on addressing this D.

Sure doing both would be huge and best case … but I think it’s going to cost too much money to repair this D that will directly conflict with paying Tee.

This will ruffle some feathers but I’d pay Trey over Tee all day long for starters.

Then get a legit counter part part pass rusher, a true cover CB, and a solid safety for starters. These will cost mad loot !

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(12-29-2024, 02:04 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That would be a pretty bad argument. I like Gesicki well enough, but he’s not giving you 1k yards and double digit TD’s. If Tee walks WR2 instantly becomes one of their biggest needs.

Context is key.

I stated I could see Gesiski stepping in for the big possession receiver role, and addressed the rest later in my post.

WR2 is a non-issue if the Bengals have Gesicki and a healthy Eric All, but I have my doubts as to if he can stay healthy.

[ERIC1]

(12-29-2024, 01:46 PM)jason Wrote: We can all get behind that sentiment...

I am keeping my fingers crossed..but I think that 88 year old Mike Brown wants to keep this team in Cincinnati and have his children and grandchildren  run the team..With the impending lease talks coming up, the need for continued community support..players like Burrow inputing..I am thinking we will see some unexpected changes ..organizationaly..scouting etc.. this offseason.I also believe that coaches like Lou and that offensive line coach need to go..they are both hard working and intense..but it would appear that their voice is not resonating..in those two particular areas ..change for changes sake is needed