Tee vs a NEW D

[sandwedge]

All I know for sure is that Lou has to go! He has cost us a shit ton of games the last 2 seasons. That in itself would go a long way in having a better Defense.

[RunKijanaRun]

(12-29-2024, 01:19 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: Not many " better organizations" pay their quarterback and 2 receivers over a 100 million a year...foolish

They either don’t have a combo worth that type of money, or they do but they’re still on rookie deals. We absolutely will not be the only ones.

[Old Dipstick]

(12-28-2024, 10:14 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I don't know that it has to be one or the other. Ie Tees contract isn't why the defense is bad.

The free agents and draft picks they bring in just haven't planned out.

[motoarch]

You don't lose to talent and get better.

Tee is a #1 wr on a lot of other teams and that's not easy to make up .

There's no guarantee you lose him and spend on improving the defense. You may spend that money and be in the same place.

They need to keep the top end talent and hope they hit in the draft and pick up some help elsewhere. This defense doesn't have to be top shelf. It just needs to be middle of the road.

[*Synric*]

Congrats to Tee for making the double digit TD club. He's tied for 4th in the NFL in receiving TDs on the season (although Jefferson will likely pass him this afternoon).

[*bengalfan74*]

(12-29-2024, 01:28 AM)jason Wrote: Yoshi doesn't even believe that.

Yep

I believe the people thinking Yoshi is a true #2 may be stretching thigs a bit? 

#3? perhaps

[*bengalfan74*]

IMHO, we have to fix the trench's first and foremost, HAVE TO so....I'm really on the fence on this. I mean I'd love to keep Tee, especially if he'd play a full season. But I'm just not sure as others have said, we can tie up all that money in 3 players? Tee is gonna want high end #1 money.

The Bengals F.O. sat on their hands, (as they always do) and didn't pay J. Chase and now they're really gonna pay! T. Hendrickson is gonna demand top $$$ I just don't believe they can afford Tee.

[Bengalbug]

(12-28-2024, 02:27 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: We already spend a LOT of money on the defense. Cut the dead weight and actually sign good players.

It’s wild when people make proclamations about “we need to spend on D”. We have a top 5 highest paid defense haha

Oh yea, tee is on the tag.

It’s not either or, as someone else said.

[ERIC1]

(12-29-2024, 03:26 AM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: They either don’t have a combo worth that type of money, or they do but they’re still on rookie deals. We absolutely will not be the only ones.

I love how people use the word absolutely to validate their argument..when in fact they absolutely don't know..this offense does quite well without Higgins in the game untilyzing other players..once again..this organization should be able to find a number 2-3 receiver...Yoshi may well be one of the two

This team  needs significant help on the interior offensive line, interior defensive line..defensive backfield and linebackers

The problem everyone has with Tee is that he seems to be a really nice guy..If he was a prima Donna like many other players most on here would be saying he's an often injured player , we cant afford him  and show him the door

But if somehow..someway....if this team can address the aforementioned needs and still keep Higgins ..I don't care..I just don't think its realistic

Again..as I have stated before..we need a larger and better scouting department..many players we draft just don't seem to transition well to the NFL

[ERIC1]

(12-29-2024, 11:49 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: It’s wild when people make proclamations about “we need to spend on D”.  We have a top 5 highest paid defense haha

Oh yea, tee is on the tag.

It’s not either or, as someone else said.

we have spent money..not wisely unfortunately..and as such we will have to spend money again..not only on defensive line..but the interior offensive line, linebackers , defensive backs..Keeping Higgins and what will pronabaly be a 25 million dollar a year salary is not realistic

[samhain]

I think the league and other organizations will make the decision for the Bengals. Tee is going to have teams beating down the door to offer him huge, guaranteed money. Any illusion that he wouldn't ended tonight, and was probably unrealistic to begin with. Bad receiver draft, no challenger on the open market to his spot at the top of the FA heap.

Tee's a good guy, but he's not a martyr. That expectation isn't even fair to him. He needs to go and get paid to secure his future. He's earned it.

It would take some major sacrifice and crazy cap gymnastics to keep all three of our stars here. Even if it happens, they're just holding serve.

[*bfine32*]

If we do part ways, I'd say he has made a tag and trade more appealing to other teams.

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(12-29-2024, 01:18 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: Yoshi will be a good 2.. plus you have the draft

He has not shown it yet.

Gesicki has been a solid possession receiver so far, which the Bengals are in need of. Would be great is Eric All could stay healthy an entire season, making the TE room a strength, rather than a revolving door.

Need to improve the IOL and defense in the draft and free agency.

Given time in the pocket, Burrow could make Drew Sample look like Tony Gonzales.

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(12-29-2024, 09:08 AM)motoarch Wrote: You don't lose to talent and get better.

Tee is a #1 wr on a lot of other teams and that's not easy to make up .

There's no guarantee you lose him and spend on improving the defense.  You may spend that money and be in the same place.

They need to keep the top end talent and hope they hit in the draft and pick up some help elsewhere.  This defense doesn't have to be top shelf.  It just needs to be middle of the road.

He looks like a #1 because Ja'Marr is drawing the #1 CB and additional help. He is today's TJ Houshmandzadeh, looking like a stud because Ocho is drawing extra attention and the focus of the defense.


Also not accounting for receiving balls from Joe Burrow, the rightful leading MVP candidate. 


Tee is a top end #2, losing more points for not being able to stay healthy.


He is easily replaceable.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-29-2024, 01:19 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: Given time in the pocket, Burrow could make Drew Sample look like Tony Gonzales.

You could literally make a perfect QB in a lab and that’s still not happening lol.

Sample is good at what he does, but he’s easily one of the least athletic TE’s I’ve ever seen. I’m constantly afraid he’s going to get tangled up by his own feet or taken down by the turf monster even when there’s no one with 5 yards of him.

[*jason*]

(12-29-2024, 01:04 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: we have spent money..not wisely unfortunately..and as such we will have to spend money again..not only on defensive line..but the interior offensive line, linebackers , defensive backs..Keeping Higgins and what will pronabaly be a 25 million dollar a year salary is not realistic

So now let's let the third best player on the team go so we can unwisely spend money on other positions of need (and also creating another position of need)?

Also this lil streak has ensured there won't be any coaching changes. So I'm sure Lou and the boys will do a lot better job with their next batch of Rankins types.

[*Go Cards*]

If Burrow and Chase took pay cuts then it would be incredible to keep Tee and would be my #1 wish.

But the 3 at full price would be a huge mistake in my book. So would selling the future for him.

bottom line is that we've had Tee the entire time Burrow has been here and the Bengals are about to miss the playoffs once again.

The game yesterday by Tee was masterful and a thing of beauty to watch. But Burrow was working Gesicki and Chase so often and Chase Brown doing well too it gave Tee the golden opportunity to shine getting lots of single coverage.

Still Tee is awesome and a great complimentary piece to Chase. It's a dilemma and I get that it will be a tough call

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-29-2024, 01:26 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: He looks like a #1 because Ja'Marr is drawing the #1 CB and additional help. He is today's TJ Houshmandzadeh, looking like a stud because Ocho is drawing extra attention and the focus of the defense.


Also not accounting for receiving balls from Joe Burrow, the rightful leading MVP candidate. 


Tee is a top end #2, losing more points for not being able to stay healthy.


He is easily replaceable.

“Easily replaceable” is a bit much.

[ERIC1]

(12-29-2024, 09:08 AM)motoarch Wrote: You don't lose to talent and get better.

Tee is a #1 wr on a lot of other teams and that's not easy to make up .

There's no guarantee you lose him and spend on improving the defense.  You may spend that money and be in the same place.

They need to keep the top end talent and hope they hit in the draft and pick up some help elsewhere.  This defense doesn't have to be top shelf.  It just needs to be middle of the road.

the very best teams right now in the NFL..eg.. KC "lose talent" and address other needs..there are so many good receivers in the NFL and at the college level to give burrow the weapons he needs at 2-3 receiver..we may even have one in Yoshi if he is given the reps..."HOPE"? is not a good way to run a football team

[Luvnit2]

(12-29-2024, 01:15 PM)samhain Wrote: I think the league and other organizations will make the decision for the Bengals.  Tee is going to have teams beating down the door to offer him huge, guaranteed money.  Any illusion that he wouldn't ended tonight, and was probably unrealistic to begin with.  Bad receiver draft, no challenger on the open market to his spot at the top of the FA heap.

Tee's a good guy, but he's not a martyr.  That expectation isn't even fair to him.  He needs to go and get paid to secure his future.  He's earned it.  

It would take some major sacrifice and crazy cap gymnastics to keep all three of our stars here.  Even if it happens, they're just holding serve.

No team can beat down his door if Bengals tag him while they attempt to sign him to a long-term deal or trade him.

We have too many average players making big bucks.
Hubbard - 11.6 million
Cappa - 10,250 million
Rankins - 12,5 million
Stone - 7.9 million
Moss - 4.9 million

We would create some dead cap, but ass a ton of cash and cap space. We have Sample and Johnson to replace Hubbard. We have Jenkins and Jackson to replace Rankins. We have Chase Brown to replace Moss. We have some young safeties to compete to replace Stone. We would need to add 2 guards via FA or the draft. If we cut all 5, it would create 32 million in cap space to go with the 59 million we have now.

We get a pass rushing DE for 10 million, guys like Clowney seem to always be available. if we focus on stud DE pass rushers, we become much better attempting to protect a lead.

90 million is a lot of cap space. Tee can get paid, and his contract could be structured to use less cap space in years 1 and 2. We know what we have in Tee Higgins, he will not be easily replaced with a plug and play WR2 either in draft or FA. 

I too have been all over the board. I hope we keep him. If not, I hope we tag and trade him prior to the 2025 draft. His value just went up after yesterday.