DC/OL wish list

[Bengalstripes9]

(Yesterday, 09:03 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: One has to consider the timeline when proposing the hiring of a Defensive Coordinator that runs a different scheme than the current personnel were chosen to run. Would Robert Saleh be as successful running a 4-3 defense? I don't know, never seen him put a 4-3 defense on the field, however his 3-4 defenses have been quite effective.

If they draft the right front 7 players in the draft they could switch to a 3-4, right? They need a dominant DT more than anything regardless.
I’m not sure if that’s available in FA but maybe they can move up in the draft or stay put and get lucky.

If they miss out on a 1st round DT the offense deserves a good guard.
And they desperately need a lockdown corner—my preferred pick (if they miss out on DT).
They need to hit the 1st defensive pick out of the park.
They could solve corner in FA too.

[ERIC1]

(10 hours ago)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: If they draft the right front 7 players in the draft they could switch to a 3-4, right? They need a dominant DT more than anything regardless.
I’m not sure if that’s available in FA but maybe they can move up in the draft or stay put and get lucky.

If they miss out on a 1st round DT the offense deserves a good guard.
And they desperately need a lockdown corner—my preferred pick (if they miss out on DT).

I love the people on this Board and their passion for our team and football..but playing pretend coach and talking about this scheme or another leaves me in stitches..They need players that can hustle..tackle ,execute..catch a football , etc ..regardless of any scheme or coach..man is it cold outside

[SunsetBengal]

(10 hours ago)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: If they draft the right front 7 players in the draft they could switch to a 3-4, right? They need a dominant DT more than anything regardless.
I’m not sure if that’s available in FA but maybe they can move up in the draft or stay put and get lucky.

If they miss out on a 1st round DT the offense deserves a good guard.
And they desperately need a lockdown corner—my preferred pick (if they miss out on DT).
They need to hit the 1st defensive pick out of the park.
They could solve corner in FA too.

My thoughts are that if you're looking to change defensive schemes, and be successful in that first year (win now), you're going to need at least a few proven veterans who are comfortable and experienced in that alignment. Yes, you'll want to draft to support that scheme, but you still need proven guys to demonstrate how it's supposed to work.

[Bengalstripes9]

(10 hours ago)ERIC1 Wrote: I love the people on this Board and their passion for our team and football..but playing pretend coach and talking about this scheme or another leaves me in stitches..They need players that can hustle..tackle ,execute..catch a football , etc ..regardless of any scheme or coach..man is it cold outside

Definitely.
They have whiffed on defense recently.
To me that is why Lou got fired.
He’s the scapegoat.
Got little out of those draft picks.

Ultimately they need a great defensive coach with an eye for talent.
The coach needs to own the picks and the vision on defense.

[Bengalstripes9]

(10 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: My thoughts are that if you're looking to change defensive schemes, and be successful in that first year (win now), you're going to need at least a few proven veterans who are comfortable and experienced in that alignment. Yes, you'll want to draft to support that scheme, but you still need proven guys to demonstrate how it's supposed to work.

Definitely would make sense to do so and double dip in free agency and the draft.

There’s opportunity for a lot of roster turnover and cap savings.
Anything could happen.

There could be some good free agent secondary players to chose from.
Their secondary has gotten torched—they need a dominant corner.

[SunsetBengal]

(10 hours ago)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Definitely would make sense to do so and double dip in free agency and the draft.

There’s opportunity for a lot of roster turnover and cap savings.
Anything could happen.

There could be some good free agent secondary players to chose from.
Their secondary has gotten torched—they need a dominant corner.

I'm less worried about CB than other defensive positions. We have a pair that were looking pretty good prior to going down with injury in Dax Hill and DJ Turner. We've known from day 1 that CTB wasn't CB1 material. It will be nice to see all the bodies healthy again next season.

With the prospect of changing to 3-4, the front seven is where all of the focus needs to be. We have some of those "tweener" types that may very well translate to being effective in a 3-4. I'd kind of like to see them give it a try.

[*ochocincos*]

(10 hours ago)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: If they draft the right front 7 players in the draft they could switch to a 3-4, right? They need a dominant DT more than anything regardless.
I’m not sure if that’s available in FA but maybe they can move up in the draft or stay put and get lucky.

If they miss out on a 1st round DT the offense deserves a good guard.
And they desperately need a lockdown corner—my preferred pick (if they miss out on DT).
They need to hit the 1st defensive pick out of the park.
They could solve corner in FA too.

With Hendrickson being on his last year, I dunno if it's worth fully moving to 3-4 for 2025.
Hendrickson is perfect for 4-3 DE.
I think he played as OLB in a 3-4 in his first few years in New Orleans, but he wasn't very productive.

I think keep the 4-3 for at least 2025.
That also would give one final year to see if Murphy is worth a damn.

[kalibengal]

(10 hours ago)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Definitely.
They have whiffed on defense recently.
To me that is why Lou got fired.
He’s the scapegoat.
Got little out of those draft picks.

Ultimately they need a great defensive coach with an eye for talent.
The coach needs to own the picks and the vision on defense.

I just read that Bengals have no plans to interview fan faves Saleh or Dennis Allen....which is unfortunate
I have to think Saleh had alot to do with the SF and NYJ draft Defensive Draft picks
If you arent going to modernize the scouting dept or hire a real respected GM, for godsakes hire some coaches that can fill that role for you on identifying talent 

[Frank Booth]

Saleh's the best available DC on the market, right? lol He aint coming here

[Tomkat]

(7 hours ago)Frank Booth Wrote: Saleh's the best available DC on the market, right? lol He aint coming here

Why not?  Do you have some insider source, or is it just your opinion?

[SunsetBengal]

(7 hours ago)Tomkat Wrote: Why not?  Do you have some insider source, or is it just your opinion?

It's already been posted by reporters that the Bengals are not planning on interviewing Saleh or Dennis Allen.

[Luvnit2]

(10 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: My thoughts are that if you're looking to change defensive schemes, and be successful in that first year (win now), you're going to need at least a few proven veterans who are comfortable and experienced in that alignment. Yes, you'll want to draft to support that scheme, but you still need proven guys to demonstrate how it's supposed to work.

We need proven vets for the DL regardless of the scheme in my opinion. I see the mocks and in some cases round 1 or 2 DT. That is great in my opinion for the future, but we are too good on offense to rely on rookies to be stars in year 1 in spite of when they are drafted.

We need to fix the trenches. OG and DT are the two biggest weaknesses, fix with vets, then develop rookies for the future.

[NotBigzo]

(7 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: It's already been posted by reporters that the Bengals are not planning on interviewing Saleh or Dennis Allen.

Such an ass-backwards way of looking at it by the Bengals.

"Young up and comer" is just a euphemism for someone with a lower price tag.

[SunsetBengal]

(7 hours ago)NotBigzo Wrote: Such an ass-backwards way of looking at it by the Bengals.

"Young up and comer" is just a euphemism for someone with a lower price tag.

More important than the salary aspect is the strong personality aspect. A proven, experienced DC is going to want some control over his personnel. Whereas with a younger, "yes man" type of coordinator it will be easier for management to tell him to work with what we give you.

[Frank Booth]

(7 hours ago)NotBigzo Wrote: Such an ass-backwards way of looking at it by the Bengals.

"Young up and comer" is just a euphemism for someone with a lower price tag.

Bingo

[Tomkat]

(7 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: It's already been posted by reporters that the Bengals are not planning on interviewing Saleh or Dennis Allen.

OK, cool.  I missed that.
He made it sound as though Saleh would never come here, even if offered the job.

[Frank Booth]

(7 hours ago)Tomkat Wrote: OK, cool.  I missed that.
He made it sound as though Saleh would never come here, even if offered the job.

I dont think he would anyways considering ownership wants to pay very little. Other teams would be glad to give saleh the salary he desires or close to it

[*pally*]

Saleh is also a potential one and done DC and that builds zero continuity. Do you want them to hire someone who already has one foot out the door?

I still suspect they are waiting for AL Golden's Notre Dame season to be over

[Frank Booth]

(7 hours ago)pally Wrote: Saleh is also a potential one and done DC and that builds zero continuity. Do you want them to hire someone who already has one foot out the door?

I still suspect they are waiting for AL Golden's Notre Dame season to be over

excuses huh? I doubt Saleh is getting another HC job. But go ahead, defend mike brown

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(7 hours ago)Tomkat Wrote: OK, cool.  I missed that.
He made it sound as though Saleh would never come here, even if offered the job.

That could be the case, we just don't know. He and Allen were both HC's this year, and maybe both are not interested in being DC's at this time. 

Maybe they change their minds if spring gets closer and their phones don't ring, but we don't have time to wait.