PFF Year End Top and Bottom 5

[SladeX]

(01-07-2025, 11:01 PM)samhain Wrote: So basically our o-line somehow sucks while simultaneously having bookend tackles? That sounds about right.

We don’t value guards.

Otherwise we could have kept Zeitler.

This front office is so full of sh!t, it’s downright embarrassing.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(01-08-2025, 01:42 AM)SladeX Wrote: We don’t value guards.

Otherwise we could have kept Zeitler.

This front office is so full of sh!t, it’s downright embarrassing.

Considering it cost us a SB they should probably start.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(01-08-2025, 01:22 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: His grade in true pass sets though.

I’ve also never seen a guy struggle with stunts as much as he does. So ready for that failed experiment to be over.

You and me both....sub 30, yikes.

[puddycat]

A little surprised by Iosivas; think he needs to work on his breaks.
Expect a jump for Jenkins and Jackson, unless they don't get help next season.  Not seeing enough flashes yet.
Similar for Mims who seems headed for quality starter level.
We already knew about our guards; Volson barely outscored Mims because of his run blocking.
I think the safeties got thrown to the wolves, getting stuck behind an incoherent defense.  But they are still unathletic.

[t3r3e3]

(01-07-2025, 09:41 PM)pally Wrote:

Final Bengals OL PFF Grades in True Pass Blocking Sets

? - 73.9 - Ted Karras
? - 67.1 - Orlando Brown jr
? - 57.3 - Amarius Mims
? - 47.7 - Cody Ford
? - 32.4 - Alex Cappa
? - 29.1 - Cordell Volson

— Goodberry (@JoeGoodberry) January 7, 2025

67.7 over the final 8 weeks for Mimshttps://t.co/q2Tn0MTPdj

— Goodberry (@JoeGoodberry) January 8, 2025

Volson and Cappa combined were still only 3 or 4 points better than Mims. Pathetic…

[*Go Cards*]

(01-08-2025, 01:42 AM)SladeX Wrote: We don’t value guards.

Otherwise we could have kept Zeitler.

This front office is so full of sh!t, it’s downright embarrassing.

Zeitler is a FA this season I believe. 

[Whatever]

The overall grade on Mims may seem disappointing, but keep in mind the kid hardly played in college.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(01-07-2025, 11:01 PM)samhain Wrote: So basically our o-line somehow sucks while simultaneously having bookend tackles?  That sounds about right.

And this is why PFF can't be taken seriously in 2024 (since 2015, really).

Again, their stats and numbers are great, the grades are bullshit, 50% of the time.

(01-07-2025, 11:17 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Let's play a quick game of FMK.

This one will be tough, so think long and hard before answering. Anyone can play by the way. 

Here are your choices.

Kate Upton
Kate Beckinsale
Cordell Volson

GO!

"The kill is always the easiest."

[*pally*]

(01-08-2025, 01:42 AM)SladeX Wrote: We don’t value guards.

Otherwise we could have kept Zeitler.

This front office is so full of sh!t, it’s downright embarrassing.

The Browns made Zeitler the highest paid guard in the league and then traded him 2 years later in part because they overpaid him

[SunsetBengal]

(01-08-2025, 06:42 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Zeitler is a FA this season I believe. 

In 2017 the excuse was that he cost too much.

In 2025 the excuse will be that he's too old..

[007BengalsFan]

(01-08-2025, 02:49 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: In 2017 the excuse was that he cost too much.

In 2025 the excuse will be that he's too old..

He is making about 6 million this year.  I would take him if we could get him for that.  I doubt the Lions let him leave.  That offense is very good and Zeitler is part of the reason why.  They will re-sign him.  Even if the Bengals could get him, I think you are right, the front office would think he is too old and wouldnt do it regardless.

[Bengal Dude]

(01-08-2025, 02:49 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: In 2017 the excuse was that he cost too much.

In 2025 the excuse will be that he's too old..

They didn't value him in 2021 either. The Giants released him and he was quickly linked back to us. He wound up signing a 3 year/$22.5 million deal with the Ravens. The beat guys ran into Zeitler's wife during the first Baltimore game in 21. She said they wanted to return to Cincinnati, but the Bengals offer was nowhere near what Baltimore gave him. Another reporter ran into his parents a year later and they said the same thing. 

[SunsetBengal]

(01-09-2025, 02:29 AM)Bengal Dude Wrote: They didn't value him in 2021 either. The Giants released him and he was quickly linked back to us. He wound up signing a 3 year/$22.5 million deal with the Ravens. The beat guys ran into Zeitler's wife during the first Baltimore game in 21. She said they wanted to return to Cincinnati, but the Bengals offer was nowhere near what Baltimore gave him. Another reporter ran into his parents a year later and they said the same thing. 

That is sad on the Bengals part. They had a great opportunity to bring back a truly good player, one that they drafted, and even perhaps mend some fences. And yet they cheapoed their way out of it.

The real irony here is that they signed Cappa for more, and got much less.

[BoomerFan]

So none of the backup/rotational WRs made the list of worst 5? Trenton Irwin, Jermaine Boulton, or Chuck Sizzle?

[Nicomo Cosca]

(01-09-2025, 10:10 AM)BoomerFan Wrote: So none of the backup/rotational WRs made the list of worst 5? Trenton Irwin, Jermaine Boulton, or Chuck Sizzle?

Probably not enough snaps.

[*bengalfan74*]

So... I'll beat the again we have to beg, borrow, or steal two starting guards for next season. They're crazy if they don't! They're going to piss away JB's best years if they don't wise up.

[Clark W Griswold]

(01-09-2025, 10:26 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: So... I'll beat the again we have to beg, borrow, or steal two starting guards for next season. They're crazy if they don't! They're going to piss away JB's best years if they don't wise up.

I really think this should be a sign one/draft one situation. If they don’t draft a guy like Booker in the first then get one within the next two rounds. Should be able to get a really good G in the 2nd round but they need to realize it is a major need. Also, sign a solid FA guard - no need to break the bank but even an average NFL starting guard would be a major upgrade for them.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(01-07-2025, 08:24 PM)pally Wrote:

Bengals Top 5 Graded Offensive Players in 2024 from PFF

1) Joe Burrow
2) Tee Higgins
3) Ja'Marr Chase
4) Chase Brown
5) Mike Gesicki

Bengals Bottom 5 Graded Offensive Players in 2024 from PFF

5) Amarius Mims
4) Andrei Iosivas
3) Cody Ford
2) Alex Cappa
1) Drew Sample…

— Goodberry (@JoeGoodberry) January 7, 2025

I don't know what kind of stuff Goodberry is pulling there, something to do with snap counts, I'd guess, but Mims rated 81st out of 141 OTs.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/amarius-mims/146719

Burrow was top 5, as was Tee. Chase top 10. And Gesicki was 13th. 

Yoshi was dead last ingst 94 rated TEs. Cappa was 110th out of 135 Gs. Ford 112th of 141 at OT. 

Oh, he is just doing raw numerical grades, not ranks within their positions, which would becthe better way to donir  of course. Some spots tend to have higher grades than others. 

Of the guys who played significant snaps, the O looked like this: 

1. Burrow, 93.9, 3rd/75 
2. Higgins, 88.2, 5th/98
3. Chase, 85.8, 11th/98 
4. Mike Gesicki, 71.5, 13th/37
5. Chase Brown, 75.7, 18th/47
6. Trent Brown, 65.2, 55th/141
7. Ted Karras, 64.1, 26th/64 
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8. Cordell Volson, 59.3, 76th/135 
9. Orlando Brown, 58.2, 93rd/141 
10. Amarius Mins, 57.8, 97th/141
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11. Cody Ford, 50.6, 112th/141
12. Devin Cochran, 50.6, 112th/141
13. Alex Cappa, 50.5, 110th/135
14. Andrei Ioshivas, 52.7, 98th/98
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Not enough snaps for a positional ranking: 

1. Tanner Hudson, 67.4 
2. Erick All  59.9 
3. Jermaine Burton 58.4 
4. Zach Moss, 58.2 
5. Khalil Herbert, 52.0 
6. Drew Sample, 48.9

Extreme short snaps: 

1. Pryor, 65.3
2 . Grandy, 63.5
3. I. Williams, 60.9
4. C. Jones  51.6

[Hammerstripes]

I don;t pay much attention to PFF grades, They are entertainment at best for me.

Bottom line - does an O-linemnen give up sacks and pressures? If not, then I don't care what his grade is from some service.

There were games against very good pass rushers where Mims held his own better than any RT we've had in ages.