New DC hired?

[sandwedge]

(Yesterday, 11:45 AM)michaelsean Wrote: In usual Day style, he slammed the brakes on the O plus a fumble helped ND get back in. Oh and OSU consistently tackling receivers before they catch the ball, but not so much after.

Shutting it down early on both sides of the ball, pissed me off!

[Bengal Dude]

I know people are mixed on Golden since it's viewed as the same old thing, but there is another long term possibility on this.

Multiple local reporters have said these new coach hires are Zac's decisions. If these hires don't work, and the team falters again, then Zac is most likely gone. I don't think we'll see Marvin Lewis style loyalty anymore, and the FO won't want to waste players like Burrow and Chase.

[Luvnit2]

(10 hours ago)Bengal Dude Wrote: I know people are mixed on Golden since it's viewed as the same old thing, but there is another long term possibility on this.

Multiple local reporters have said these new coach hires are Zac's decisions. If these hires don't work, and the team falters again, then Zac is most likely gone. I don't think we'll see Marvin Lewis style loyalty anymore, and the FO won't want to waste players like Burrow and Chase.

So, your hope is Zac hires a dud so he will be fired. Did I sum it up well?

I hope he hires the best DC in the 2025 NFL season and behind and he helps Burrow, Chase, Trey, Mike Brown and ZT win the Super Bowl.

[Bengalbug]

(10 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: So, your hope is Zac hires a dud so he will be fired. Did I sum it up well?

I hope he hires the best DC in the 2025 NFL season and behind and he helps Burrow, Chase, Trey, Mike Brown and ZT win the Super Bowl.

I think what he was getting at is that these are the guys Zac thinks are the best fit for the job.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: So, your hope is Zac hires a dud so he will be fired. Did I sum it up well?

I hope he hires the best DC in the 2025 NFL season and behind and he helps Burrow, Chase, Trey, Mike Brown and ZT win the Super Bowl.

That would be a no.

[BFritz21]

Golden was golden for Dame and turned their defense into one of the best in the nation!

(See what I did there? )

I love the hire because he stepped into the Notre Dame job with high expectations at the job and he succeeded.

He has had top defenses in the nation in college, so let's just hope that he can have the mind to succeed in the NFL

[SunsetBengal]

(10 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: So, your hope is Zac hires a dud so he will be fired. Did I sum it up well?

I hope he hires the best DC in the 2025 NFL season and behind and he helps Burrow, Chase, Trey, Mike Brown and ZT win the Super Bowl.

He didn't say that he hoped anything, one way or the other. He was just simply reporting another perspective that he had read.

[Clark W Griswold]

I really hope it works out with him as the Bengals D coordinator. The Buckeyes beat 6 of the other 11 teams that made the playoffs this season so they are legit. Can’t judge Golden on that game as they were facing a very good QB, 2 all American RBs and a 19 year old who could be a top WR in the NFL right now.

[Joelist]

Assuming we wind up with Golden what are the implications for the defense? As in what will the scheme be?

For example Lou liked playing a 2 LB base. Does Golden? Or does he favor 3 or 4? What about Man vs Zone? If Man is it Press Man?

These questions will radically affect our Free Agency and draft approaches.

[ERIC1]

(9 hours ago)Joelist Wrote: Assuming we wind up with Golden what are the implications for the defense? As in what will the scheme be?

For example Lou liked playing a 2 LB base. Does Golden? Or does he favor 3 or 4? What about Man vs Zone? If Man is it Press Man?

These questions will radically affect our Free Agency and draft approaches.

lol@ scheme..we need players that can think, tackle and hustle

[jfkbengals]

The fact that ND even got to the Championship game says all you need to know about Golden as a DC. At least in the collegiate level, he is very good.

[SunsetBengal]

(9 hours ago)ERIC1 Wrote: lol@ scheme..we need players that can think, tackle and hustle

This may be the singular, best post that I've ever read of yours. Spot on!

[Joelist]

(9 hours ago)ERIC1 Wrote: lol@ scheme..we need players that can think, tackle and hustle

Really? Scheme is important in football. It affects many aspects of the game including what types of players a team has and what their job is on the field. Players that can think and tackle is another aspect of coaching which is very important but acting like scheme means nothing is kinda strange. 

Probably the two biggest issues with the defense this last season were tackling and (yes) scheme - as in the players were mismatched to what Lou was trying to do. One reason Lou needed to go was it took him 12 games to react to the players not being able to execute his scheme and simplifying it when it was obvious after maybe 2-3 games. 

And if it is Golden his scheme he plans to run will impact how we approach both Free Agency and the draft defensively. 

[Nicomo Cosca]

(9 hours ago)Clark W Griswold Wrote: I really hope it works out with him as the Bengals D coordinator. The Buckeyes beat 6 of the other 11 teams that made the playoffs this season so they are legit. Can’t judge Golden on that game as they were facing a very good QB, 2 all American RBs and a 19 year old who could be a top WR in the NFL right now.

Kid is something else. 15 TD’s as a true freshman is insane.

[007BengalsFan]

(10 hours ago)BFritz21 Wrote: Golden was golden for Dame and turned their defense into one of the best in the nation!

(See what I did there?   )

I love the hire because he stepped into the Notre Dame job with high expectations at the job and he succeeded.

He has had top defenses in the nation in college, so let's just hope that he can have the mind to succeed in the NFL

You do realize Notre Dame had a great defense before Golden was hired?  Golden has done a good job there but they already had a pretty good defense before Golden took over.

[SunsetBengal]

(8 hours ago)Joelist Wrote: Really? Scheme is important in football. It affects many aspects of the game including what types of players a team has and what their job is on the field. Players that can think and tackle is another aspect of coaching which is very important but acting like scheme means nothing is kinda strange. 

Probably the two biggest issues with the defense this last season were tackling and (yes) scheme - as in the players were mismatched to what Lou was trying to do. One reason Lou needed to go was it took him 12 games to react to the players not being able to execute his scheme and simplifying it when it was obvious after maybe 2-3 games. 

And if it is Golden his scheme he plans to run will impact how we approach both Free Agency and the draft defensively. 

I really think that you might be overthinking this whole "scheme" item. Golden runs a version of a 4-3, just like most modern football coaches. What is more important is that fundamentals like proper tackling are emphasized over superfluous things like stripping the ball and laying "atomic shoulders". The goal is to put the man on the ground, if you force a fumble in the process, great. If you're focusing your intent on getting the ball and not the man, not so good.

[BFritz21]

Golden is aggressive, which I like, but we really need to improve our secondary if he's going to stay with his man coverage and leave them in the secondary on islands.

Our defensive line was average in pass rush, but that will need to improve if we're going to leave our secondary out there on their own.

It'll be interesting to see what direction Golden goes if he ends up being the hire.

[*rfaulk34*]

(9 hours ago)ERIC1 Wrote: lol@ scheme..we need players that can think, tackle and hustle

So then you just take the best players you can get, throw them on the field and say, "ok, go out there and think, tackle and hustle" with no direction or responsibilities?

That's exactly what you're saying. Just get some guys that can do those things because it doesn't matter if they need to know who rushes, who drops, who covers, who shows blitz and drops off, who blitzes, whether it's man or zone, what cover scheme does the back end play, etc etc.

You saying scheme shmeem, is literally one of the most ignorant things someone can say when talking about putting 11 guys on the field and expecting them to compete and succeed. 

Absolutely outrageous, with zero awareness or any semblance of reality.