(01-20-2025, 07:20 PM)Bengal Dude Wrote: Most OL coaches are the run game coordinator. I'm not sure why the team "officially" gave the title to Pollack. Run/pass game coordinator titles are more common in college football than the pros. Alexander was the run game coordinator for a long time. Even Turner mentioned it during an interview with Lap that he works on the run game and then tweaks it with Zac and Brian.
I'm not going to hold his NE tenure against him. That team was assembled so poorly that it seemed obvious that they were trying to tank the season.
As I understand it to mean, the Run game Coordinator title is to keep teams from offering more money for him to come for a parallel position.
Volson is meh, but I like him, and he has far exceeded my expectations
(01-20-2025, 07:21 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Personal attacks aside, Nate... I will point out that McNally has been a consultant in our FO since 2012.
That means..
-He was here when we hired Frank Pollack, Jim Turner, and Frank Pollack again.
-He was here when we chose Kevin Zeitler over David DeCastro and drafted Bodine, Ogbuehi (and later sent Whitworth packing for him), Fisher, Price, J Williams, Carman, D'Ante, Volson, and then finally Mims.
-He was here when we traded for Cordy Glenn, signed Bobby Hart, John Miller, Xavier Sua'Filo, La'el Collins, Alex Cappa, and Ted Karras.
He hasn't really been killing it as a consultant for the previous 13 years.
PCB was acting like McNally was some dumbass that doesn't know OL because he is old. We don't know how much pull he has or if any
of the bad you speak about had much to do with him. He is a consultant and was maybe our best OL coach ever, no need to tear him up.
Duke Tobin pretty sure is the reason for a lot of this more so than Jim McNally. Pollack couldn't coach up anyone as we all saw.
If we want to just be negative about Scott Peters, fine, but I don't know why. He is young and even according to Pats fans wasn't the
problem with their OL. They had about the least talented OL in the NFL. Who knows what he can do with good Tackles, an okay Center
and some new Guards. It was time for a change.
Nothing we can do but wait and see. You’d like for them to have gotten someone not responsible for the 31st ranked Oline in the league, but this is typical family ties choice. At least they didn’t let Alexander pick the coach. You knew one of the two “guru’s (unpaid help) was going to have the say in the choice.
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(01-20-2025, 08:10 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: As I understand it to mean, the Run game Coordinator title is to keep teams from offering more money for him to come for a parallel position.
Not too surprising that the FO offered him the title. They were huge Pollack fans.
You can always trust an dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you have to look out for.
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(01-20-2025, 07:21 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Personal attacks aside, Nate... I will point out that McNally has been a consultant in our FO since 2012.
That means..
-He was here when we hired Frank Pollack, Jim Turner, and Frank Pollack again.
-He was here when we chose Kevin Zeitler over David DeCastro and drafted Bodine, Ogbuehi (and later sent Whitworth packing for him), Fisher, Price, J Williams, Carman, D'Ante, Volson, and then finally Mims.
-He was here when we traded for Cordy Glenn, signed Bobby Hart, John Miller, Xavier Sua'Filo, La'el Collins, Alex Cappa, and Ted Karras.
He hasn't really been killing it as a consultant for the previous 13 years.
To counter some of your points, LL:
1. Pollack isn't a bad coach, never has been: Rapien has been saying since last year (talking '23), that his style of coaching and the like is not a good fit for the team and I'd agree. This is more on the FO for keeping him around so long, as his philosophies and players don't necessarily work out in our current system, but that's not- a topic for this post.
2. Zeitler was better than DeCastro at the time (this was around the time I tried to work for PFF and was really entrenched in evaluations and the like, thus I remember it all very well) and has had a significantly-longer and more sustainable career: he was DEFINITELY the better pick. If DeCastro went to the Raiders, he never would've made a PB, complete Stooler Bias. Bodine was a PA pick lol, we all know the story behind that. Same with Ogbuehi. For the rest, not sure if McNally had much of a say in anything.
3. Glenn wasn't a bad player for us, he just had a shit attitude. On the field, he performed well-enough. Miller was also good for the one season (not spectacular or anything), Collins was also fine, just not the player he once was and Cappa was a top 5 RG until he got hurt in the playoffs (or was it last game of the season?), then hasn't returned to form. Karras has been more than fine all along.
I'd say that if the guy indeed has a hand in all of our OL activity, he is largely hit and miss, but there is quite a bit of good in your list of players.
I just can't believe a 5'3 guy (or whatever he is, he's tiny) is a good OL coach lol: I know size means nothing, but it's so jarring to see an Oline coach that small
(Yesterday, 12:32 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: and has had a significantly-longer and more sustainable career: he was DEFINITELY the better pick. If DeCastro went to the Raiders, he never would've made a PB, complete Stooler Bias.
This specific point of yours is a hill I will gladly die on, Truck. Lol
DeCastro had 6 Pro Bowls, 1 2nd Team All-Pro, and 2 1st Team All-Pros. You don't become a multi-time 1st Team All-Pro from bias.... and being okay/good for 13 years is not better than being great for 8-9 years.
It's why Derrick Mason or Hines Ward isn't in the HoF but Calvin Johnson is and nobody would prefer 14-15 years of them over 9 years of Megatron.
If Burrow's career is only 10 years of what we've seen so far, he's still a better pick than if Herbert's career stays as it currently is but he plays for 15-17 years.
Orlando Brown Jr. Gets A Leg Up On Bengals' Offseason While Endorsing New O-Line Coach Scott Peters' Mindset; Despite injury, "I can't just sit around this time of year." https://t.co/jOBlBG3vZ9
Romo “ so impressed with Zac ...1 of the best in the NFL… they are just fundamentally sound. Taylor the best winning % in the Playoffs of current coaches. Joe Burrow” Zac is the best head coach in the NFL & that gives me a lot of confidence." Taylor led the Bengals to their first playoff win since 1990, ending the longest active drought in the four major North American sports, en and appeared in Super Bowl LVI, the first since 1988.
That's fine, I will fight as well lol: the numbers (both pass blocking and YPC) were always in Zeitler's favour, year in, year out, when they were both playing at the same time and had we had Zeitler all this time, playing at the level he has been playing at all these years, I think beyond the shadow of a doubt, he would've been the better long-term pick.
DeCastro was the absolutely top-touted G in the draft, getting top 10 buzz and being on Luck's team gave him a ton of exposure and he was boosted unnecessarily as a result.
Stooler OL have been super overrated for the past 25 years, I mean Pouncey is going to make the HoF and he wasn't even the best C in the division every year, yet he got 9 PBs and 2 APs.
The numbers never lied and we (and the Browns, at least at a couple of positions) were a better OL than the Stoolers from 2010-2015 and they had in that time:
5 PBs, 3 APs
For comparison's sake, we had:
2 PBs, 1 AP (just Whitworth).
Browns had:
9 PBs, 3 AP
Ravens had:
6 PBs, 2 AP
We had THE BEST OL in the division, from left to right (typically, it was with exception to C), in those 6 seasons, yet we got the least representation for awards. Whitworth had lower pressures AND a higher YPC behind him ***AND*** a higher grade than Thomas, in 4 of those 6 years (with 2010 and 2014 being the best LT years IN THE LEAGUE) and he only had the 2 PBs and the one AP.
Again, Whitworth's 2014 was:
0 sacks, 1 QB hit, 7 hurries, in 1031 snaps and the team ran something like 4.5-4.7 YPC behind LT. LEGENDARY year.
Not a single award. He got AP2, but that's an irrelevant honour as nobody acknowledges it.
(Yesterday, 12:07 AM)jj22 Wrote: Nothing we can do but wait and see. You’d like for them to have gotten someone not responsible for the 31st ranked Oline in the league, but this is typical family ties choice. At least they didn’t let Alexander pick the coach. You knew one of the two “guru’s (unpaid help) was going to have the say in the choice.
My understanding is they had a ton of injuries on the line and were pretty much throwing anybody they could find out there.
(01-20-2025, 11:26 PM)Joelist Wrote: So is Peters more of a wide zone guy? If yes I would think that will affect our Free Agent and draft strategies on OL.
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