It isn't our imaginations

[*rfaulk34*]

(01-24-2025, 02:10 PM)lone bengal Wrote: Josh Allen a rising star winning his first title for Buffalo after the Bills lost 4 Super Bowls in row?  Jayden Dainels a rookie QB winning it all ? Jalen Hurts avenging his prior superbowl loss to the Chiefs. Why wouldn’t those stories work ? Everyone hates KC

There's no such thing as stories. The team that executes the best wins. 

[lone bengal]

(01-24-2025, 02:06 PM)lone bengal Wrote: Kelce started dating her in 2023 people have been complaining about them getting calls well before that. Goodell has to appease 31 other owners and you really think everyone is in on the Chiefs games being rigged makes no sense for everyone else.

(01-24-2025, 02:11 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Hence why I said “uptick” in their bias. They were already favoring Mahomes even before that though because he was the biggest star in the league.

Also, I don’t think the games are rigged. I just think KC and especially Mahomes get preferential treatment. Even Troy Aikman was complaining about it during their last game.

Respect your opinion and won’t try to change it good debate. My thoughts like this AFC championship game coming up Josh Allen is just as marketable as Maholmes. Every fan base in the NFL outside of KC hates Maholmes it would make more sense to favor Allen and Buffalo into getting calls versus appeasing music fans over NFL diehards.

[lone bengal]

(01-24-2025, 02:06 PM)lone bengal Wrote: Kelce started dating her in 2023 people have been complaining about them getting calls well before that. Goodell has to appease 31 other owners and you really think everyone is in on the Chiefs games being rigged makes no sense for everyone else.

(01-24-2025, 02:13 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: There's no such thing as stories. The team that executes the best wins. 

Agree which tends to be KC , I’ll be rooting for the other 3 teams. Hopefully Burrow gets to play Maholmes in the post season again. Are drafts have been night and day compared to KC’s which is the reason where watching the playoffs.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(01-23-2025, 12:45 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It's not just the penalties, but the uncanny timeliness of them that always seems to happen when the Chiefs need bailed out of a dire situation.

Yep, just happened to us again this last game we played. Sure the Daijahn Anthony PI was a penalty but there were 2 holds by the Chiefs OL 
on the same play that should of offset. We should of won that game, they would of had one more shot at it, but it was 4th and 16 or something,
not likely as long as another penalty didn't get called.

(01-23-2025, 12:50 PM)pally Wrote: Makes you wonder, with all the attention being paid to this, if the referees will go the other way to prove their lack of bias, in the game against the Bills this weekend

I wish, still they seem pretty blatant about it and seem not to care. It has been obvious for a while now. Ever since Taylor Swift started dating 
Travis who has an enormous following of Swifties that bring in a ton of dough to the NFL.

[coachmcneil71]

(01-24-2025, 02:11 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Hence why I said “uptick” in their bias. They were already favoring Mahomes even before that though because he was the biggest star in the league.

Also, I don’t think the games are rigged. I just think KC and especially Mahomes get preferential treatment. Even Troy Aikman was complaining about it during their last game.

Go watch the video of Brady getting his head taken off by Nate Clements, if you get a chance. No flag or whining. Just good football. Todays game looks weak by comparison. 

[Nepa]

(01-24-2025, 02:51 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: Go watch the video of Brady getting his head taken off by Nate Clements, if you get a chance. No flag or whining. Just good football. Todays game looks weak by comparison. 

Mahomes and Allen both complain and flop to get calls. This could put the refs in quite the position of who they want to appease more.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(01-24-2025, 03:07 PM)Nepa Wrote: Mahomes and Allen both complain and flop to get calls. This could put the refs in quite the position of who they want to appease more.

True, still haven't seen Allen slow down on the sideline to get a call like Mahomes did though. Mahomes is worse even if Allen is a flopper.

[Tomkat]

(01-24-2025, 02:11 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Also, I don’t think the games are rigged. I just think KC and especially Mahomes get preferential treatment. 

THIS.

Games don't have to be outright rigged, because they can easily be INFLUENCED by ticky-tack calls.

3 and 20 - "preferred" team comes up way short?
*FLAG* Illegal contact, 5 yards, automatic first down.

It's a get-out-of-jail-free card that the refs can pull at almost any time with plausible deniability.

[samhain]

I def understand the perception of bias, but there is one fact that muddies the waters a bit.

Most games that the Bengals and Chiefs have played against each other have featured excellent KC o-lines and horrible Bengal ones. This year's Bengals front and certainly the one in the 2022 regular season were better than usual. The other 3 groups were total shit shows. The Conference title game that the good guys lost featured a line with, IIRC 3 backups in starting roles. They performed as expected. The Super Bowl year line was somehow historically bad.

Bad OL are going to hold elite DL like Chris Jones. Mahomes has has at the very least the best interior OL in the league for 4 years. Our left tackle, arguably the best OL on the team (for the entire Burrow era) was once a part of KC's front as well.

I'm not saying it's THE factor, but it's A factor. The defensive penalties are another animal, but the disparity in OL play absolutely skews those numbers.

[*pally*]

Here's the QBs who have been hit the most in the postseason 2018-present and how many roughing penalties they've drawn. https://t.co/Tc7aUnvVmE pic.twitter.com/XjniCqy1Jq

— Jay Morrison (@ByJayMorrison) January 24, 2025

[samhain]

(01-24-2025, 07:09 PM)pally Wrote:

Here's the QBs who have been hit the most in the postseason 2018-present and how many roughing penalties they've drawn. https://t.co/Tc7aUnvVmE pic.twitter.com/XjniCqy1Jq

— Jay Morrison (@ByJayMorrison) January 24, 2025

Now I'm starting to get a little pissed.

[M.W.]

(01-24-2025, 02:01 PM)c766 Wrote: Everyone said the same things about the Pats, and the Steelers, and the Cowboys, and the 9ers, etc.

Really good teams get more calls, well, because their legacy skews it that way.  Refs, etc are human, and they have bias.

The way to stop it is to beat them.....

I would argue it is super hard to beat these good teams when they are getting 2 to 3 free, bogus first downs a game (typically on 3rd down) and they seem to be able to hold without getting called for it.  Meanwhile the other teams defense stays on the field after getting a 3rd down stop a few times tiring them out and, what do you know, that teams 2 best plays are called back for holding...

The refs can very easily change the outcome of the game and they clearly do.

[Nepa]

(01-24-2025, 08:42 PM)samhain Wrote: Now I'm starting to get a little pissed.

I don't know what other posters see, but for me, unless I click on the image and go to X I wouldn't know that Mahomes is at the top with 7 roughing calls and Allen was second with 2 roughing calls. I only see Burrow at the top with his 0 roughing calls.

[George Cantstandya]

(01-24-2025, 08:42 PM)samhain Wrote: Now I'm starting to get a little pissed.

Me too because it is clear Philip Rivers was being favored getting roughing penalties 12.5% of the time he was hit in the playoffs.  

[M.W.]

(01-24-2025, 09:31 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: Me too because it is clear Philip Rivers was being favored getting roughing penalties 12.5% of the time he was hit in the playoffs.  

Maybe he wasn't sacked as much?  I am a little unclear on does a sack that you fortunate enough not to get flagged for is considered a hit.

[SunsetBengal]

(01-24-2025, 09:47 PM)M.W. Wrote: Maybe he wasn't sacked as much?  I am a little unclear on does a sack that you fortunate enough not to get flagged for is considered a hit.

If the QB gets hit, it counts as a hit. If it doesn't get a flag, then well, the crew needs an eye exam...

[sandwedge]

(01-24-2025, 09:26 PM)Nepa Wrote: I don't know what other posters see, but for me, unless I click on the image and go to X I wouldn't know that Mahomes is at the top with 7 roughing calls and Allen was second with 2 roughing calls. I only see Burrow at the top with his 0 roughing calls.

Thanks, I wasn't sure what it was trying to show us. 
I like the fact it isn't just us complaining about the crap that goes on when playing KC, the entire NFL is talking about it.

[reuben.ahmed]

(Yesterday, 01:24 AM)sandwedge Wrote: Thanks, I wasn't sure what it was trying to show us. 
I like the fact it isn't just us complaining about the crap that goes on when playing KC, the entire NFL is talking about it.

And that is why the NFL has scheduled a Bills win, to sweep this problem under the rug. 32 teams acting in unison, 32 billionaires.

[samhain]

They need to deal with this shit on an in-game basis. I absolutely despise seeing guys get fined mid-week for hits that weren't flagged during actual play. I don't give a shit about the offending player or his money. These guys are millionaires. The fines are negligible. I want the penalty yards and extended drives.

The "oops we messed up" stuff is more annoyance than vindication.