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Over 63 Mil to Rebuild With
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Tee Higgins close to 22 mil,  BJ Hill 10 mil, Mike Hilton 6 mil, Trent Brown close to 5 mil, Davis-Gaither close to 3 mil. Gesicki 2.5 mil, Marco Wilson 2 mil
Then 15 players around 1 mil each.  
If the Bengals wanted them that much, they would be signed already.
The players on Defense especially, because Golden may have other plans on how to fix this Defense.  
The Bengals have finished out of play-offs 2 straight years, so they are in a rebuild mode, not a keep winning team mode.
Fans have favorites, I like Gesicki, but Bengals let TE's go every year.  They also really like this other TE that they tried to play more.

So the bad news some Fans will lose their Fan Favorites.  

The good news this not a year many top names leaving.  Once you get past Tee, it is not a list of big name players in the NFL.

The Bengals freeing up over 63 mil to use in a rebuild will help.  Now resign of Chase long term will cut into this 63 mil.  That right there probably takes it around 40 mil, which is still a good chunk of money to fix the Defense and other weak areas of this team.  

Of course the Bengals will resign some of these players as always, after they hit free agency and teams are not lining up for them.

I see this Free Agency as a Positive.  Dump over 63 mil, to do what needs done to get back in Play-Offs with Joe Burrow who is a winner.  The Offense is pretty much Zac Taylor and Golden should be OK on Defense.  Resign Chase long term and fill the gaps at other positions in Free Agency and Draft.  Maybe even resign Hendrickson to be here after 2025, maybe.  

Bengals will have the salary cap money to try to fix the defense, so that Burrow isn't expected to score 60 points a game.  The Chiefs let Hill go and kept winning, and it's a copy cat league.  Chiefs kept Mahomes to Kelce, Bengals keep Burrow to Chase, and you have Defense and such like Chiefs, you say good-bye to a Hill or Higgins, but Chiefs show that is how you keep winning.

GO BENGALS.....They could use the over 63 mil to get this team from losing back into the play-offs and Super Bowl hunt where they should be with Burrow to Chase. ....GO BENGALS

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more like 48 million when including Blackburn tax




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(Yesterday, 07:25 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: more like 48 million when including Blackburn tax

Yeah, that's about what I've been seeing as well. Not sure where Kevin is getting his numbers from.
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I'm in the "pay tee his money camp". Goodberry just had a good point of can the Bengals better spend the Tee money this offseason in a way that would be more impactful? The chances are low that we could get player or players that would have the impact he can have for us. I also don't think we can compare teams to say what exactly is a winning formula. The style offense the Bengals run of let Burrow drop back and distribute the ball you need receivers. Sign Tee try and add a guard in free agency and then see if we can fix the defense thru the draft and maybe some other FAs. With the way Burrow and Co. are playing we are in a win now window.
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(Yesterday, 11:14 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I'm in the "pay tee his money camp". Goodberry just had a good point of can the Bengals better spend the Tee money this offseason in a way that would be more impactful? The chances are low that we could get player or players that would have the impact he can have for us. I also don't think we can compare teams to say what exactly is a winning formula. The style offense the Bengals run of let Burrow drop back and distribute the ball you need receivers. Sign Tee try and add a guard in free agency and then see if we can fix the defense thru the draft and maybe some other FAs. With the way Burrow and Co. are playing we are in a win now window.

Goodberry follows analytics. Analytics say pass the ball

but honest question to you, does the success of the chiefs and bills with their lack of elite weaponry just go over your head?

even if the bengals dont sign Tee, they would still have Jamarr, which is better than any weapon KC or buffalo has. Which in theory should give the bengals the privlige to allocate more money to the rest of this terrible bengals roster




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(Yesterday, 11:25 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Goodberry follows analytics. Analytics say pass the ball

but honest question to you, does the success of the chiefs and bills with their lack of elite weaponry just go over your head?

even if the bengals dont sign Tee, they would still have Jamarr, which is better than any weapon KC or buffalo has. Which in theory should give the bengals the privlige to allocate more money to the rest of this terrible bengals roster

The absence of an elite weapon is the reason the Bills didn't beat the Chiefs in my opinion. I love Burrow and wouldn't trade him but he can't do what Allen does running for tough yards. Mahommes I would say is more mobile as well and while we beat them at the WR position I'd say they beat us in Coach, FO, DC and defensive players and probably OL play. So we can point at one aspect of they're team and ignore the rest but I don't feel like that's a winning formula. 


I agree in theory we could bring in multiple players that would have a bigger impact on the winning than resigning Tee. But the likelihood of that seems to be very low. You have to find the right players and be able to sign them if you don't like doing contracts like the rest of the NFL that is tougher all while creating a giant hole that needs to be filled with atleast a day 2 pick. 
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(Yesterday, 11:45 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: The absence of an elite weapon is the reason the Bills didn't beat the Chiefs in my opinion.

And we'll have that in Chase.
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(Yesterday, 04:38 PM)kevin Wrote: Tee Higgins close to 22 mil,  BJ Hill 10 mil, Mike Hilton 6 mil, Trent Brown close to 5 mil, Davis-Gaither close to 3 mil. Gesicki 2.5 mil, Marco Wilson 2 mil
Then 15 players around 1 mil each.  
If the Bengals wanted them that much, they would be signed already.
The players on Defense especially, because Golden may have other plans on how to fix this Defense.  
The Bengals have finished out of play-offs 2 straight years, so they are in a rebuild mode, not a keep winning team mode.
Fans have favorites, I like Gesicki, but Bengals let TE's go every year.  They also really like this other TE that they tried to play more.

So the bad news some Fans will lose their Fan Favorites.  

The good news this not a year many top names leaving.  Once you get past Tee, it is not a list of big name players in the NFL.

The Bengals freeing up over 63 mil to use in a rebuild will help.  Now resign of Chase long term will cut into this 63 mil.  That right there probably takes it around 40 mil, which is still a good chunk of money to fix the Defense and other weak areas of this team.  

Of course the Bengals will resign some of these players as always, after they hit free agency and teams are not lining up for them.

I see this Free Agency as a Positive.  Dump over 63 mil, to do what needs done to get back in Play-Offs with Joe Burrow who is a winner.  The Offense is pretty much Zac Taylor and Golden should be OK on Defense.  Resign Chase long term and fill the gaps at other positions in Free Agency and Draft.  Maybe even resign Hendrickson to be here after 2025, maybe.  

Bengals will have the salary cap money to try to fix the defense, so that Burrow isn't expected to score 60 points a game.  The Chiefs let Hill go and kept winning, and it's a copy cat league.  Chiefs kept Mahomes to Kelce, Bengals keep Burrow to Chase, and you have Defense and such like Chiefs, you say good-bye to a Hill or Higgins, but Chiefs show that is how you keep winning.

GO BENGALS.....They could use the over 63 mil to get this team from losing back into the play-offs and Super Bowl hunt where they should be with Burrow to Chase. ....GO BENGALS

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Higgins won't sign for that more like 28 mill. We won't pay him tho he is gone IMO......same for BJ Hill and Hilton I think they're both gone as well. Time to play these young high draft picks and see what they got....Hilton is a liability in coverage. and Trent Brown won't be back either smh.  Gesicki is the top receiving TE on the market you're not gonna sniff him at 2.5 Hilarious
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(Today, 12:45 AM)pulses Wrote: Higgins won't sign for that more like 28 mill. We won't pay him tho he is gone IMO......same for BJ Hill and Hilton I think they're both gone as well. Time to play these young high draft picks and see what they got....Hilton is a liability in coverage. and Trent Brown won't be back either smh.  Gesicki is the top receiving TE on the market you're not gonna sniff him at 2.5 Hilarious

Agree with this. Gesicki for sure
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(Today, 12:45 AM)pulses Wrote: Higgins won't sign for that more like 28 mill. We won't pay him tho he is gone IMO......same for BJ Hill and Hilton I think they're both gone as well. Time to play these young high draft picks and see what they got....Hilton is a liability in coverage. and Trent Brown won't be back either smh.  Gesicki is the top receiving TE on the market you're not gonna sniff him at 2.5 Hilarious

I'm going on what they have been paid, not what they might get paid.  This is where I'm getting my figures.  What they have been getting paid.  Add it all up, and Bengals have 63 million going free agent as of today.  No, this does not include a Blackburn tax, this is straight payroll.  Has nothing to do with Blackburn.  63 million hitting free agency for Bengals as of today.  

I used overthecap.com,  which was just Bengal free agent salaries, it didn't include one thing about Blackburn. This is not hypothetical what they might get paid math.  This is what they have been getting paid by Bengals up to now math.  If none of the Free Agents gets kept, it adds up in the ballpark of 63 million dollars per this site that is not showing anything called a Blackburn tax, just straight up payroll. 

It is a copy cat league.  Chiefs have proved you can let go of a Hill, and keep winning Super Bowls.  Chiefs kept Mahomes to Kelce and spent money on other areas of the team.  Bengals could keep Burrow to Chase and do the same.  I must point out the Bengals have failed to make the play-offs 2 seasons in a row with Chase and Higgins.  The idea that the Bengals are unbeatable with them both just isn't true, the Bengals are getting beat with both of them.  It's a copy cat league, be like the Chiefs, let him go like Hill, and put some money into the defense. The Chiefs are showing how to go Super Bowl every year, and they aren't doing by putting all their money into just Wide Receivers.  They do not expect Mahomes to score 60 points a game, and neither should Bengals expect Burrow to score 60 points a game, so rebuild The Defense. 

63 million could go a long way in signing Chase long term to team with Burrow long term,  rebuild the Defense and maybe even resign Hendrickson for 2026 also.  Chase and Hendrickson are very dominate, and it might be a good move to keep both of them in 2026. 

PS :  I had to go to internet to to to make some sense out of what some of you called a Blackburn Tax.  I saw reports of Bengals and Stadium and city issues.  None of that has anything to do with NFL Salary Cap.   Front Office and Stadium expenses has nothing to do with NFL Player Team Salary Cap.  

GO BENGALS

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(Yesterday, 04:38 PM)kevin Wrote: Tee Higgins close to 22 mil,  BJ Hill 10 mil, Mike Hilton 6 mil, Trent Brown close to 5 mil, Davis-Gaither close to 3 mil. Gesicki 2.5 mil, Marco Wilson 2 mil
Then 15 players around 1 mil each.  
If the Bengals wanted them that much, they would be signed already.
The players on Defense especially, because Golden may have other plans on how to fix this Defense.  
The Bengals have finished out of play-offs 2 straight years, so they are in a rebuild mode, not a keep winning team mode.
Fans have favorites, I like Gesicki, but Bengals let TE's go every year.  They also really like this other TE that they tried to play more.

So the bad news some Fans will lose their Fan Favorites.  

The good news this not a year many top names leaving.  Once you get past Tee, it is not a list of big name players in the NFL.

The Bengals freeing up over 63 mil to use in a rebuild will help.  Now resign of Chase long term will cut into this 63 mil.  That right there probably takes it around 40 mil, which is still a good chunk of money to fix the Defense and other weak areas of this team.  

Of course the Bengals will resign some of these players as always, after they hit free agency and teams are not lining up for them.

I see this Free Agency as a Positive.  Dump over 63 mil, to do what needs done to get back in Play-Offs with Joe Burrow who is a winner.  The Offense is pretty much Zac Taylor and Golden should be OK on Defense.  Resign Chase long term and fill the gaps at other positions in Free Agency and Draft.  Maybe even resign Hendrickson to be here after 2025, maybe.  

Bengals will have the salary cap money to try to fix the defense, so that Burrow isn't expected to score 60 points a game.  The Chiefs let Hill go and kept winning, and it's a copy cat league.  Chiefs kept Mahomes to Kelce, Bengals keep Burrow to Chase, and you have Defense and such like Chiefs, you say good-bye to a Hill or Higgins, but Chiefs show that is how you keep winning.

GO BENGALS.....They could use the over 63 mil to get this team from losing back into the play-offs and Super Bowl hunt where they should be with Burrow to Chase. ....GO BENGALS

Tiger  Who Dey  Who Dey  Tiger

I hate to tell ya, but Bengals don't typically re-sign their own upcoming free agents in January.

They'll either wait until end of Feb/start of March, or they'll try to re-sign once FA starts in mid-March.

I could see maybe a couple of those guys you mentioned coming back, but definitely not the likes of Trent Brown.

Bengals will have to make some cuts to have any kind of decent FA haul this season, especially if they reserve any $$ for Chase extension (which likely won't happen till Summer)
Zac Taylor 2019-2020: 6 total wins
Zac Taylor 2021-2022: Double-digit wins each season, plus 5 postseason wins
Zac Taylor 2023: 9 wins despite losing Burrow half the season
Zac Taylor 2024: Started 1-4. Ended 9-8 but barely missed playoffs

Changes needed to do better in Sept/Oct moving forward.

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(10 hours ago)kevin Wrote: I'm going on what they have been paid, not what they might get paid.  This is where I'm getting my figures.  What they have been getting paid.  Add it all up, and Bengals have 63 million going free agent as of today.  No, this does not include a Blackburn tax, this is straight payroll.  Has nothing to do with Blackburn.  63 million hitting free agency for Bengals as of today.  

I used overthecap.com,  which was just Bengal free agent salaries, it didn't include one thing about Blackburn. This is not hypothetical what they might get paid math.  This is what they have been getting paid by Bengals up to now math.  If none of the Free Agents gets kept, it adds up in the ballpark of 63 million dollars per this site that is not showing anything called a Blackburn tax, just straight up payroll. 

It is a copy cat league.  Chiefs have proved you can let go of a Hill, and keep winning Super Bowls.  Chiefs kept Mahomes to Kelce and spent money on other areas of the team.  Bengals could keep Burrow to Chase and do the same.  I must point out the Bengals have failed to make the play-offs 2 seasons in a row with Chase and Higgins.  The idea that the Bengals are unbeatable with them both just isn't true, the Bengals are getting beat with both of them.  It's a copy cat league, be like the Chiefs, let him go like Hill, and put some money into the defense. The Chiefs are showing how to go Super Bowl every year, and they aren't doing by putting all their money into just Wide Receivers.  They do not expect Mahomes to score 60 points a game, and neither should Bengals expect Burrow to score 60 points a game, so rebuild The Defense. 

63 million could go a long way in signing Chase long term to team with Burrow long term,  rebuild the Defense and maybe even resign Hendrickson for 2026 also.  Chase and Hendrickson are very dominate, and it might be a good move to keep both of them in 2026. 

PS :  I had to go to internet to to to make some sense out of what some of you called a Blackburn Tax.  I saw reports of Bengals and Stadium and city issues.  None of that has anything to do with NFL Salary Cap.   Front Office and Stadium expenses has nothing to do with NFL Player Team Salary Cap.  

GO BENGALS

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If we want to be like the Chiefs we have to draft better. Trent Mcduffie all pro ,stud since day one , George Karlaftus good pass rusher, Creed Humphrey one of the best centers in the league, Trey Smith 6th rd. Pick one of the best right guards in football, Isiah Pacheco 7th round starting running back , Rashee Rice looked like a stud WR 1 before the ACL and Worthy contributing as a rookie. Compare that too the guys we’ve drafted in that time period. They have a ton of guys to extend.
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(7 hours ago)lone bengal Wrote: If we want to be like the Chiefs we have to draft better. Trent Mcduffie all pro ,stud since day one , George Karlaftus good pass rusher, Creed Humphrey one of the best centers in the league, Trey Smith 6th rd. Pick one of the best right guards in football, Isiah Pacheco 7th round starting running back , Rashee Rice looked like a stud WR 1 before the ACL and Worthy contributing as a rookie. Compare that too the guys we’ve drafted in that time period. They have a ton of guys to extend.

On the flip side, they spent a second on Kingsley Suamataia this year and a 3rd on Wanya Morris last year and are having to start Thuney at LT because they are both so bad.  This is after they didn't have a 1st in '21 after trading for Orlando Brown Jr and then letting him walk in FA, a move we'd be screaming about here with the turnstiles at LT they've had since.  

Their 1st round pick in '23, Felix Anudike-Uzumah, has started 3 games and has 2.5 sacks in his career.  And he's been active every game, so it's not an injury issue.

Rice has been a stud...but they took him because they took Skyy Moore in the 2nd the year before and he's been a complete bust.  
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With Burrow At QB we can definately get a viable #2 WR for less than 22 mil a year
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(6 hours ago)Whatever Wrote: On the flip side, they spent a second on Kingsley Suamataia this year and a 3rd on Wanya Morris last year and are having to start Thuney at LT because they are both so bad.  This is after they didn't have a 1st in '21 after trading for Orlando Brown Jr and then letting him walk in FA, a move we'd be screaming about here with the turnstiles at LT they've had since.  

Their 1st round pick in '23, Felix Anudike-Uzumah, has started 3 games and has 2.5 sacks in his career.  And he's been active every game, so it's not an injury issue.

Rice has been a stud...but they took him because they took Skyy Moore in the 2nd the year before and he's been a complete bust.  

They definitely missed some picks but hit on more. My main point is they can let certain guys walk because they have young players playing well on rookie deals and other young guys to extend. Now compare that to the Bengals the only young guy outside of Higgins I had in mind of extending before the season was Cam Britt -Taylor and we know how his season went. The Chiefs didn’t bring Hill back but they traded him and one of the picks ended up being Trent McDuffie they got something back other than comp picks. The OP said let’s be like the Chiefs which you can’t do the way Tobin has drafted which is why we were watching the playoffs.
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(Yesterday, 07:25 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: more like 48 million when including Blackburn tax

More like 38 million when you include us rolling over 10 million in cap every year. 
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63 million?
48million?
38 million?

We have what Hobson says we'll have, which is a buck ninety five and half of a groupon book.
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Burrow has stated he will do everything in his power to retain Higgins and Chase. Does that mean he is at the table re-working his deal so that we can still have funds for the defensive side of the ball after re-signing both guys? $63m (if it is the true number) goes pretty quick when it has to cover so many contracts.
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Accounting for kevin's error means no Tee Higgins. Hilarious

Add in Hobson's spin and the Bengals will only have a small amount left for the draft class. Mellow
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(2 hours ago)BrownAssClown Wrote: 63 million?
48million?
38 million?

We have what Hobson says we'll have, which is a buck ninety five and half of a groupon book.

Don't disrespect groupon like that. 
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