JoeyB willing to restructure

[NUGDUKWE]

(02-06-2025, 05:51 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: We have around $40+ mil available.

A Burrow restructure can add $19 mil.

If we start cutting guys like Rankins, Cappa, Hubbard, Moss, & Volson. That's another $30 mil.

Call it $90 mil.

Say Tee is $25 cap hit. All Chase & Trey will add is pro-rated signing bonus, say $10 for Chase & $5 for Trey. That's $40.

We'd still have $50 mil (or so) for Gesicki, Hilton/Hill, and more outside FA's (G, DT, DE, maybe TE/WR, S).

Draft whatever we whiff on/still need.

We only have 2 DTs under contract. Need 2-3 there.

This draft is loaded at DT. I think it would be the perfect draft to double dip there and the Bengals like to do that although they did it last year at DT. 
I would love to trade back in the 1st. But I would love to go S, OL in the 1st and 2nd then DT in the 3rd maybe there again in rd 4.

[cinci4life]

He wins the comeback player of the year.

[Nicomo Cosca]

Snoop Dogg said Joe Burrow can buy a batmobile, but not a good defense.

Here's the clip:@WCPO pic.twitter.com/mF4LE5XfLs

— Caleb Noe (@CalebNoeTV) February 7, 2025

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(02-06-2025, 11:36 PM)cinci4life Wrote: He wins the comeback player of the year.

I suppose congrats, but that's not exactly the best award to have already won twice in a 5 year career. Hopefully he never wins it again.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(02-06-2025, 11:49 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I suppose congrats, but that's not exactly the best award to have already won twice in a 5 year career. Hopefully he never wins it again.

He said as much when he accepted it.

[cinci4life]

Josh Allen gets MVP somehow. Smh

[Bengal Dude]

There's never been more pressure on the FO than now. The star QB has been put them on notice and the players want to stay together.

If they botch this up, it would most likely cause irreparable damage between the organization and the fan base.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(02-07-2025, 12:46 AM)cinci4life Wrote: Josh Allen gets MVP somehow. Smh

Really tired of giving it to Lamar? Can't explain why else he didn't win it. Funny really, because the other two years I thought Lamar was kind of a weak pick and he won, and now this year I thought he was an easy pick and he doesn't win.

Lamar was 1st Team All-Pro over Allen, lol.... also apparently someone gave Lamar a 4th place vote for MVP? That's insanity.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(02-07-2025, 12:46 AM)cinci4life Wrote: Josh Allen gets MVP somehow. Smh

[ERIC1]

(02-06-2025, 06:32 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I agree 100%. Great news is FO had not leveraged much of the future. Question becomes is will they begin to lecture not all, but more of the future with the 2025 new contracts. Do they have the cash to leverage more of the future by using signing bonuses to defer compensation.

As for Tee, I am not as concerned with honoring his request for a 4- or 5-year contract with one stipulation. The guaranteed portion needs to be between 55% to 60% maximum due to his injuries. We could offer Tee a 4-year deal for 90 million with 54 million guaranteed structured as follows:

20 million signing bonus deferred over 4 years = 5 million cap hit from 2025 through 2028

2025 Base - 3 million + 5 million deferred = 8 million cap hit 2025

2026 Base - 16 million + 5 million deferred = 21 million cap hit + 4 million roster bonus = 25 million cap hit

2027 Base - 17 million + 5 million deferred = 22 million cap hit + 6 million roster bonus = 28 million cap hit  (Guaranteed portion met)

2028 Base = 18 million+ 5 million deferred = 23 million cap hit + 6 million roster bonus = 29 million cap hit (none is guaranteed so we could cut him with no dead money)

Why would Tee do it?

2025 gets 23 million (Bonus + base) - all guaranteed
2026 gets 20 million - all guaranteed
2027 gets 23 million - Most guaranteed
2028 gets - 24 million if he plays well, he gets the full 90 million. (Not guaranteed)
Tee average per year = 90 million/4 = 22.5 million

He may want more. But as you can see, by giving a huge bonus in year 1, our 2025 cap is only 8 million in this scenario. Our cap escalates in years 2-4, but we will get more cap dollars in future cap, FO could choose to rollover the extra 10+ million they would have spent n 2025.

Would you reconsider signing tee for 4 years with an option to cut him in year 4 and save 24 million (other 5 million would dead cap) in this scenario?

This same thing can be applied to others as well. Trey, Jamar and anyone they are signing to 3- or 4-year deals. There are ways the team can leverage some of the future, but at the same time sign players to deals than can deduce the cap in the current year. Simply taking a contract of 4 years and dividing the contract by 4 is not accurate.

Most NFL contracts escalate each year and other then Watson are not fully guaranteed.

why would you pay tee higgins anything..he misses one third of the season..and many of the games he plays in he is pulled early

[Tomkat]

(02-06-2025, 01:12 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: lol@ pivotal moment"...sure Burrow wants Higgins to stay..but..resigning an often injured wide receiver with chronic hamstring problems is foolish..that would be typical Bengals..you do realize he misses 4-5 games a season and they also pull him out of numerous games early because he cant play...this team really needs  @ least  6-7 very good players on the OL/DL and linebacker position ..this team needs every dime it has, smart scouting, player development...there are plenty of secondary receivers both at the college level  waiting to be drafted and in the NFL that can run routes and catch a football for far less than 20-25 million a year

Dude, are you stupid?  You cannot just assume that Tee cannot stay healthy like it's a foregone conclusion.  He has earned the benefit of the doubt.

[ERIC1]

(02-06-2025, 06:41 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Yeah. If we buy the drop off is due to injury (Hubbard, Cappa), then a replacement may not be necessary. Rankins could be in that category as well. 

But LG needs upgraded even if Cappa rebounds. And Hubbard isn't a great pass rusher even at his best. And even with Rankins, we still need DT help. 

If we can get Tee, Chase, Trey, Mike G. and the Burrow restructure done quickly, it will help us attract other guys in FA. It will show we are serious about being a contender. 

A ring chaser/vet would have us on their list then. Some maybe be cheap (Calais Campbell at DT), mid-range (Zeitler at RG, Tart at DT), or even high end (Smith at RG). 

1)restructuring burrows contract only kicks the monetary issues down the road 2)  so if we dont restructure Burrows contract to sign tee higgins the  "other guys " in the NFL will not be attracted to the Bengals ?..too funny

[Sled21]

(02-06-2025, 11:44 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Snoop Dogg said Joe Burrow can buy a batmobile, but not a good defense.

Here's the clip:@WCPO pic.twitter.com/mF4LE5XfLs

— Caleb Noe (@CalebNoeTV) February 7, 2025

It did not look to me like Joe appreciated that joke..... 

[ERIC1]

(02-06-2025, 07:35 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Yep. I swear if they screw this up, it will be like being a Cleveland fan.

burrows restructuring will only kick the monetary issues down the road..tee higgins has chronic high proximal tendionapathy..very rarely does that get completely better..it will be like buying a car with a bad transmission

[ERIC1]

(02-07-2025, 10:28 AM)Tomkat Wrote: Dude, are you stupid?  You cannot just assume that Tee cannot stay healthy like it's a foregone conclusion.  He has earned the benefit of the doubt.

I dont assume anything ..Higgins has missed a third of the season the past two years and many games that he has played in he is pulled early beacause of his hamstring issues..Are you not paying attention

[Tomkat]

(02-07-2025, 10:37 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: I dont assume anything ..Higgins has missed a third of the season the past two years and many games that he has played in he is pulled early beacause of his hamstring issues..Are you not paying attention

You cannot just assume he'll be injured like it's a foregone conclusion.  That's like thinking red or black is "due" to come up on a roulette wheel.
Is it possible he'll get injured?  Sure, but anyone can get injured.  Tee is good enough to be worth that risk.

[ERIC1]

(02-07-2025, 01:40 AM)Bengal Dude Wrote: There's never been more pressure on the FO than now. The star QB has been put them on notice and the players want to stay together.

If they botch this up, it would most likely cause irreparable damage between the organization and the fan base.

burrow, chase and higgins are good friends..I feel certain they want to "stay together"..plus get paid big bucks.if the bengals blow this and spend the money on a chronically injured tee higgins that will cause long term damage to the organization...

[ERIC1]

(02-07-2025, 10:41 AM)Tomkat Wrote: You cannot just assume he'll be injured like it's a foregone conclusion.  That's like thinking red or black is "due" to come up on a roulette wheel.
Is it possible he'll get injured?  Sure, but anyone can get injured.  Tee is good enough to be worth that risk.

You keep throwing the word assume in my lil friend..Have you not been paying attention the past two years..specific to higgins health or lack thereof..there is no assumption only facts that you fail to recognize and accept....secondly..he has  chronic  high proximal tendionapthy..these  are non contact injuries  that never fully go away..if anything they get worse

[Nicomo Cosca]

(02-07-2025, 10:31 AM)Sled21 Wrote: It did not look to me like Joe appreciated that joke..... 

He’ll get over it.

[*bfine32*]

(02-07-2025, 01:40 AM)Bengal Dude Wrote: There's never been more pressure on the FO than now. The star QB has been put them on notice and the players want to stay together.

If they botch this up, it would most likely cause irreparable damage between the organization and the fan base.

They want to stay together, but they also want to be the highest paid in their positions.

How magnanimous of them. FO don't "botch this up".