Rapien - Bengals Must Tag Tee Higgins

[Bengalbug]

(02-15-2025, 07:19 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I didn't say Higgins "replacement", as there is no other Higgins out there. I'm saying Slayton could be a good option for the Bengals offense to take a turn from what everyone in the league already has film on. Let Burrow elevate him, your opinion of him might change? Either way, the Bengals offense needs to make a change, the OL needs improvement and the game plan needs to feature more effective runs in typical run situations. Defense or no defense, the Bengals weren't going to win a Superbowl by doing the same thing.

I’d rather take a shot on one of the 30+ year old guys to help bridge for 2 years. Davante Adams? Invest in a young guy via draft. Slaytons ceiling is likely Adams floor.

[SunsetBengal]

(02-15-2025, 07:22 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: I’d rather take a shot on one of the 30+ year old guys to help bridge for 2 years.  Davante Adams?  Invest in a young guy via draft.  Slaytons ceiling is likely Adams floor.

Davante Adams?? The idea is to get cheaper at WR and allow Burrow to elevate talent around him. The Defense and OL needs the bigger investment right now. The entire line of thinking that we need to throw huge money at WR, when we have the most accurate QB currently playing is just absurd. Let the franchise QB do his job.

[J24]

(02-15-2025, 06:51 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Are you sure? Perhaps getting thrown balls from Joe Burrow rather than Daniel Jones, Slayton might actually look like the player he was drafted to be? FYI, he doesn't have to be a "Higgins clone" to fulfil a vital role in the offense, just means that the offense will have a different wrinkle to it.

Yes, I'm 100%sure he isn't as good as Tee. 

Tee averaged 75.9 yards per a game this past season while Darius Slaton averaged 35.8 yards per a game.  He's not going to improve his total by 40 yards  per a game next season in his 7th season.

Lets say Burrow adds 15 yards per a game to Slaton total. He would still average 25 less yards per a game than Tee did this past season.  He also would have 47 total yards less than Tee did this past season while playing  in 5 more games.

Also, yes he does have to be a Tee clone for the signing to be a success. The Bengals are not going to change their ways when it comes to the style of offense Burrow wants to play.  Were always going to be a spread west coast offense as long as Burrow is here.

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(02-15-2025, 07:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Davante Adams?? The idea is to get cheaper at WR and allow Burrow to elevate talent around him. The Defense and OL needs the bigger investment right now. The entire line of thinking that we need to throw huge money at WR, when we have the most accurate QB currently playing is just absurd. Let the franchise QB do his job.

Yeah, I mean I like some of the FA's and what they did in the past but I think as long as we bring back Gesicki and upgrade the interior OL 
in FA we should have some really good looking weapons looking at us in the face in the first 2 rounds whether they are WR or TE. Mike G is 
pretty much a big WR and Joe and him have started to develop good chemistry.

Hit the trenches in FA to free up a pick for Tee's future replacement in the Draft. Might have another early pick with a Tee trade as well.

[SunsetBengal]

(02-15-2025, 07:33 PM)J24 Wrote: Yes, I'm 100%sure he isn't as good as Tee. 

Tee averaged 75.9 yards per a game this past season while Darius Slaton averaged 35.8 yards per a game.  He's not going to improve his total by 40 yards  per a game next season in his 7th season.

Lets say Burrow adds 15 yards per a game to Slaton total. He would still average 25 less yards per a game than Tee did this past season.  He also would have 47 total yards less than Tee did this past season while playing  in 5 more games.

Also, yes he does have to be a Tee clone for the signing to be a success. The Bengals are not going to change their ways when it comes to the style of offense Burrow wants to play.  Were always going to be a spread west coast offense as long as Burrow is here.

You've got to get past that part. The Bengals aren't going to get a Tee "clone", anywhere. Slayton is a next up option for the team to move past having Tee Higgins on the team. It's up to Joe Burrow to elevate Slayton, and make him a valuable part of the offense.

[pulses]

(02-15-2025, 06:26 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Solid is a low bar.

91/98 qualifying receivers , PFF Grade
59/98, yards
79/98, tuddies

Like I said he played with a shitty QB I guess you can't read now !!!

[pulses]

(02-15-2025, 07:33 PM)J24 Wrote: Yes, I'm 100%sure he isn't as good as Tee. 

Tee averaged 75.9 yards per a game this past season while Darius Slaton averaged 35.8 yards per a game.  He's not going to improve his total by 40 yards  per a game next season in his 7th season.

Lets say Burrow adds 15 yards per a game to Slaton total. He would still average 25 less yards per a game than Tee did this past season.  He also would have 47 total yards less than Tee did this past season while playing  in 5 more games.

Also, yes he does have to be a Tee clone for the signing to be a success. The Bengals are not going to change their ways when it comes to the style of offense Burrow wants to play.  Were always going to be a spread west coast offense as long as Burrow is here.

You have NO CLUE what Slayton would do with a good QB because he's never had one...So all this you're spewing is just YOUR opinion and not fact.

[Bengalbug]

(02-15-2025, 07:58 PM)pulses Wrote: You have NO CLUE what Slayton would do with a good QB because he's never had one...So all this you're spewing is just YOUR opinion and not fact.

Same on your side buddy.

[pulses]

(02-15-2025, 06:47 PM)J24 Wrote: He might not stink but he isn't good enough to replace Tee by himself.

You have NO CLUE what he can do with an elite QB you're spewing your opinion.

[pulses]

(02-15-2025, 08:00 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Same on your side buddy.

He's been proven for 7-800 yards a season for the most of his career and you don't think Burrow can get him another 200 yards? You're crazy

[Bengalbug]

(02-15-2025, 07:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Davante Adams?? The idea is to get cheaper at WR and allow Burrow to elevate talent around him. The Defense and OL needs the bigger investment right now. The entire line of thinking that we need to throw huge money at WR, when we have the most accurate QB currently playing is just absurd. Let the franchise QB do his job.

Adams might be cheaper than Higgins, but more than Slayton. So, still get cheaper at the position, without the huge drop off.

The franchise QB needs all the firepower he can get when you can’t draft, develop and retain talent. How many times did the franchise QB come out on the wrong side, after scoring 30? The tee dilemma doesn’t exist today, as he is a top 4 player.

If duke, Zac and co can draft and develop players… then sure, I agree. If 24ppg would result in winning more often than not (chiefs), yep… tee is a luxury.

[Bengalbug]

(02-15-2025, 08:02 PM)pulses Wrote: He's been proven for 7-800 yards a season for the most of his career and you don't think Burrow can get him another 200 yards? You're crazy

Mike G played with bad QBs in Miami. Horrible in NE. Mike G had, by all accounts, a good year with the bengals. But he was still under his previous ceilings with bad QB play. To think he will magically reach his previous high and increase 20% is a fallacy.

How did Amari Cooper do with Josh Allen? D Hop with Mahomes?

[J24]

(02-15-2025, 07:55 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You've got to get past that part. The Bengals aren't going to get a Tee "clone", anywhere. Slayton is a next up option for the team to move past having Tee Higgins on the team. It's up to Joe Burrow to elevate Slayton, and make him a valuable part of the offense.

We don't have to give up Tee in the first place. Why can't you get past that? If you lose Tee then all we are is a broke ass Cowboys with a broke ass Jerry Jones! Your position makes us a way worse team if they listened to you.

[J24]

(02-15-2025, 08:01 PM)pulses Wrote: You have NO CLUE what he can do with an elite QB you're spewing your opinion.

And you do?

[pulses]

(02-15-2025, 08:08 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Mike G played with bad QBs in Miami.  Horrible in NE.  Mike G had, by all accounts, a good year with the bengals.  But he was still under his previous ceilings with bad QB play.  To think he will magically reach his previous high and increase 20% is a fallacy.  

How did Amari Cooper do with Josh Allen?  D Hop with Mahomes?

Those 2 WR comparisons don't compare they are way past their prime Slayton is not. Nice try tho.  Also Slayton has never had a WR across him like Chase but yet he still averages more yards per catch than Tee.....figure that one out

[SunsetBengal]

(02-15-2025, 08:12 PM)J24 Wrote: We don't have to give up Tee in the first place. Why can't you get past that? If you lose Tee then all we are is a broke ass Cowboys with a broke ass Jerry Jones! Your position makes us a way worse team if they listened to you.

Damn, no need to get all emotional about it. Don't be afraid of change, the Bengals offense needs to change directions anyway. Currently they are so pass heavy that the running game has no chance to establish itself.

Some of you Mary's that are hung up on the idea that the Bengals will be sunk without Tee Higgins in the lineup are just delusional. Teams lose good players every year, the good ones proceed onward without them.

[J24]

(02-15-2025, 08:13 PM)pulses Wrote: Those 2 WR comparisons don't compare they are way past their prime Slayton is not. Nice try tho.  Also Slayton has never had a WR across him like Chase but yet he still averages more yards per catch than Tee.....figure that one out

He played with Nabers  this past season..

[pulses]

(02-15-2025, 08:18 PM)J24 Wrote: He played with Nabers  this past season..

One season out of 6 and look how bad their QB was......you still don't have a clue

[SunsetBengal]

(02-15-2025, 08:18 PM)J24 Wrote: He played with Nabers  this past season..

...and they still didn't have a good QB throwing to either of them this season. What's your point here, anyway?

[Bengalbug]

(02-15-2025, 08:22 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: ...and they still didn't have a good QB throwing to either of them this season. What's your point here, anyway?

The good QB thing is overstated. Andre Johnson, megatron, Larry fitz… go look at their stats. It’s not always the best WB leads to production.

What about Darius Slayton makes you think he can be a 1,000 yard guy? (It might have been the other guy who said burrow will get him 200+ more).