I've got an uneasy feeling...

[ERIC1]

(02-14-2025, 09:44 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Exactly, it makes no kind of sense to be paying your second WR greater than or equal to 10% of the team salary cap. If Tee's the best WR on the market and can get paid as a WR1, let him go get his money. The Bengals are typically pretty good at finding WRs when they want one.

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[samhain]

(02-15-2025, 11:58 AM)ERIC1 Wrote:   Offensive line and defense as an entirety was terrible..Bengals made some definitive changes that should give you hope..not joe Burrows meanderings in front of the press..Bengals pay their players well ..including joe Burrow......and there are many of us ( fan base) that have seen this team draft and retain players that have injury concerns and it does not turn out well..Higgins cant stay healthy and thats a fact..Joe Burrow will be out on the field giving it 100% regardless of how things turn out..You all are acting like Higgins will be shipped to Siberia and working for pennies a day..Higgins will be fine ,he will continue to play in the NFL ..he will be a multimillionairre many times over..So let me ask you a question NUGDUKWE..f you managed a company would you hire an employee that you know is going to miss work almost one third of the time and leaves early with illness another third of the time..Doubt it.Have a nice day

The last sentence is an actual lie, by definition.  You have no idea if he's going to miss time.  Is is a good possibility? Probably so, but still that does not equate to knowing anything.  

Several other NFL GMS will not care about his past injury history when it's time to cut a check.  If it was that impactful on the situation, we wouldn't be sitting here worrying about him getting a minimum 26 mil on the tag.  You are failing to see the forest for the trees.  

If someone managed a company and an employee was up for eval that missed time, yet was still one of the most productive employees in the building when available, then you'd have to pay to retain that employee.  You know why?  Because someone else absolutely would if you didn't.  Exceptions are made for proven talent all the time.  

[samhain]

(02-15-2025, 12:08 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: 1) I have never called anyone a "liar" and if you scroll up and read one of my posts I included myself in not knowing what discussions are being had between players and management..Perhaps you should leave emotion out of it and improve your reading comprehension 2) I dont think that aforementioned  comment is insane by any means ..3) I admit that I dont know anymore regarding discussions between management, players , Burrow etc and coaches regarding FA and Tee Higgins or any other player for that matter. 4) my feelings ..of which I am entitled to..about Higgins are based on fact..He has chronic tendionapthy, it will not get any better .. Have a nice day

You literally called everything written about this situation "fictitious".  Fiction is a lie, therefore you called a whole lot of people liars.  Stand on business or or retract it.  Have some guts to stand by your words.

Have a shitty day.

[*Synric*]

(02-15-2025, 11:29 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: Id rather have a top 15-20  passing offense  along with a "good" rest of the team..That top 5 passing offense got us where ?  9-8

The Bengals will be paying top of the league money for their QB and top receiver plus using either Free Agent captial or Draft captial at the other receiving positions because they are built to throw so if they don't have a top 5 passing offense they will not win many games.

[ERIC1]

(02-15-2025, 12:10 PM)samhain Wrote: The last sentence is an actual lie, by definition.  You have no idea if he's going to miss time.  Is is a good possibility? Probably so, but still that does not equate to knowing anything.  

Several other NFL GMS will not care about his past injury history when it's time to cut a check.  If it was that impactful on the situation, we wouldn't be sitting here worrying about him getting a minimum 26 mil on the tag.  You are failing to see the forest for the trees.  

If someone managed a company and an employee was up for eval that missed time, yet was still one of the most productive employees in the building when available, then you'd have to pay to retain that employee.  You know why?  Because someone else absolutely would if you didn't.  Exceptions are made for proven talent all the time.  

1)a "lie" is a blunt term suggesting purposeful  dishonesty..my comments are not.....As a health care professional , given the medical reports provided by the team , Tee Higgins health the past two seasons, or lack thereof, it is almost almost a complete certainty  that he will continue to have issues with chronic tendionapthy..  As to your situational comment  about employee evaluations.... 2) If I had an employee, nurse , doctor, physical therapist, housekeeper etc, no matter how great they were.. if they missed as much time as Higgins...they would no longer be employed ..there would be no evaluation 3) No my friend you are failing to see the Forest..Tee Higgins staying or going will not solve the many problems our team has.. 4) because "WE" on this bengals blog are having discussions about Tee Higgins does not make it any more or any less meaningful 5) I would imgaine that there may be some GMS that will take a chance with higgins and I would also imagine that there are some that would not because of health concerns..See ya later ..

[ERIC1]

(02-15-2025, 12:13 PM)Synric Wrote: The Bengals will be paying top of the league money for their QB and top receiver plus using either Free Agent captial or Draft captial at the other receiving positions because they are built to throw so if they don't have a top 5 passing offense they will not win many games.

then the bengals need to do some rebuilding and think differently beacuse their top 5 passing offense got them nowhere

[ERIC1]

(02-15-2025, 12:12 PM)samhain Wrote: You literally called everything written about this situation "fictitious".  Fiction is a lie, therefore you called a whole lot of people liars.  Stand on business or or retract it.  Have some guts to stand by your words.

Have a shitty day.

sorry you got your lil feelings hurt..but until this matter with higgins is  resolved.. any and all  comments made about said situation are only speculative ..that does not imply anyone is lying..again.I would suggest you temper your emotions and improve your reading comprehension..Quite frankly..the only one doing any  attacking is you..I stand by my words..absolutely nobody in the press, sports writers, fans like you and I ..have absolutely no idea as to what discussionsn are being had and what the outcome will be regarding Tee Higgins..I would not resign Tee Higgins soley based on the fact that he has a probelm staying healthy..My day will be fine thank you..I love our Bengals and hope correct decisions are made at all levels ..but...its time for baseball..You have a great day

[Frank Booth]

You’re allowed to have the 15th best offense if you’re paying your qb and wr big time money. IF it means a top 10 defense and a real good running game

[Sled21]

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[*rfaulk34*]

(02-14-2025, 01:16 PM)jj22 Wrote: I'm not defending the FO and they have to modernize their contract approach even if it means none of the great grand kids have college funds anymore and their inheritance is wiped out. We get it. They are a mom and pop shop. This team isn't a tax write-off like it is for the other 31 teams, but times are changing and aren't going back. They have to either adapt or sell.

But Burrow has no say in any of this after the fact. He had his chance to do what he hopes Chase and Tee do. And we see what he did when he had his chance, so why should he expect different from them?

Why would he take less on that first big contract before he's seen what the team will do going forward, when he can take the money then manipulate it as many times as they want going forward, to help the team?

Who in their right mind would trust the Bengals to "do the right thing" when it comes to selling out to win? That initial contract doesn't keep the Bengals from doing anything going forward, unless they're unwilling to do things other teams do to succeed. 

Every (almost) QB likes/wants to see their name up there that one time because they know the contract isn't set in stone. Look at all these QBs who didn't take less to help the team when their time came.



People always want to point to Mahomes as taking less or "doing what was necessary" to ensure other players get paid in the future, but it wasn't because he took less money, it was because of the structure. 



Mahomes had the second largest growth rate percentage of all these QBs. Now, tbh, you can't look at Joe and say he only took a 5% jump because 4 QBs signed new contracts in '23. His jump from Rodgers in in '22 was 10%, which was still only the 5th highest jump. 



When it comes to Joe, Ja'Marr and Tee's deals, i've always wondered why they don't just structure all the contracts so the cap hit is balanced for each year of the total contract. First you set each contract by length, total value, guarantees, etc., then you structure each year so the total number doesn't hurt the cap in any individual year. Typically, you see a contract that is light the first couple years, then increases in later years. Once you have the base set, why can't you manipulate the numbers so that the bottom line for each year is similar for the duration of the contracts. 

So, instead of the current NFL contract structures you would have something like this. (these aren't actual numbers, just an example). 

Burrow - 20m, 25m, 29m, 45m, 25m (ftr, the Burrow contract would need to be much longer, ala Mahomes, where Chase and Tee would be 4/5 years each)
J Chase - 25m, 10m, 20m, 10m, 25m
Higgins - 10m, 20m, 6m, 10m, 20m

Propose a contract to each individual player and show them how it fits with the other two. Come to an agreement on each individual contract, then structure the payments so that each year only gives them a similar bottom line for the cap hit and live happily ever after, winning many super bowls. 

Another thing this does is, since they always want to try to re-invent the wheel, they announce all 3 contracts at once and set a new standard on how to sign big money targets without hurting the cap. Who knows, they might even win a Nobel prize. 

[SunsetBengal]

(02-14-2025, 10:11 PM)jason Wrote: Except they've been trying to prepare for this for two years. Their answers?... Charlie Jones, Iosivas, and Jermaine Burton. They did it with Bates (Dax), Trey (Murphy) and Whit (Fisher, and Ced) too. They try to get in front of it, and fail. They can't evaluate talent, and they can't develop it.

Don't fool yourself, they were hoping to get lucky on one of those guys, if they really want/need a WR they generally do very well in drafting them.

[*rfaulk34*]

(02-15-2025, 11:27 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: nate..I get that because you have posted on this Board like a zillion times..its like how dare anyone else come on here and have the audacity to respectfully disaggree with you.I enjoy Bengals debate and I think we are blessed to have an NFL team in this city..But, I deal with facts nor do I claim to know what players , coaches and Bengals heirarchy is thinking..1).That being said, we have serious problems on defense and on the offensive line..As such the team made changes 2) Higgins when healthy is a very good receiver..Unfortunately, he does have chronic tendionapthy and this was not caused by injury  and with the physical beating you take playing football it does not get better..If this team cannot find other receivers that can run 10-15 yd routes and take the pressure off chase..then ..I dont what to say..3) Burrow is a cool dude and very good quarterback..when healthy..And one can only hope that management respects his feelings..Yet, "leadership" is not standing in front of press reporters and voicing concerns and disatisfaction 4) there are many tough quarterbacks in the NFL that also take a beating..but fact of the matter is that this team has gone 18-16 the past two seasons ..and Burrows play at times has contributed to such...And this brings us back to square one..Love the bengals..love burrow..etc... but we are not a very good team now and many changes have to be made..You and I just dont agree  how and thats ok

(02-15-2025, 11:39 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: Tee Higgins, Chase and Burrow are best friends..We have no look "behind the curtain"  we dont know what is being discussed..everyone needs to cool their jets...All these fictionous stories are being created by sportswriters and people on team blogs..So far....we all knew there were major issues on the offensive line and defense as a whole..the organization has  partially addressed such..I would not sign Tee Higgins because he has a chronic injury that will persist .

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[*jason*]

(02-15-2025, 01:50 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Don't fool yourself, they were hoping to get lucky on one of those guys, if they really want/need a WR they generally do very well in drafting them.

I'll grant you Marvin Jones and TJ... They do really well with the guys who are "can't miss" WR prospects (there's usually a few in each draft). When they have to put their thinking caps on the track record is much spottier than some let on. I'm putting Tee in that can't miss category. Anybody else notice Trevor Lawrence hasn't seemed so generational since he had him?

I think they really didn't wanna be in this situation with Tee and Ja'Marr coming due at once, and did their best to have other options.

[*bengalfan74*]

Being long time Bengals fans (as most of us are) it's easy to get uneasy feelings about this team. Since MB took over they've had a history of jacking stuff up with the best of em!!

With the arrival of ZT things started changing. They were very nearly acting like a modern NFL team. But these past couple of seasons and off-seasons it's felt more like we're right back to the "old Bengals" and many of us, myself included, are getting worried the party is over.

The thing that gives me hope though is one Joe Burrow. He's no Carson Palmer by any means. He's much better in many ways. I fell Joe is firmly pushing them in a nice way towards doing the right things. And I believe they'll listen, a good bit.

[*Synric*]

(02-15-2025, 12:54 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: You’re allowed to have the 15th best offense if you’re paying your qb and wr big time money. IF it means a top 10 defense and a real good running game

Top 5 defense. 

Good teams are always top of the charts in some way or another. Bengals have one of the better offenses in the NFL. They also let their defensive slip in most areas including the egregious DL choices.  Bengals need to maintain their offense while improving the defense.

[NUGDUKWE]

(02-15-2025, 11:58 AM)ERIC1 Wrote:   Offensive line and defense as an entirety was terrible..Bengals made some definitive changes that should give you hope..not joe Burrows meanderings in front of the press..Bengals pay their players well ..including joe Burrow......and there are many of us ( fan base) that have seen this team draft and retain players that have injury concerns and it does not turn out well..Higgins cant stay healthy and thats a fact..Joe Burrow will be out on the field giving it 100% regardless of how things turn out..You all are acting like Higgins will be shipped to Siberia and working for pennies a day..Higgins will be fine ,he will continue to play in the NFL ..he will be a multimillionairre many times over..So let me ask you a question NUGDUKWE..f you managed a company would you hire an employee that you know is going to miss work almost one third of the time and leaves early with illness another third of the time..Doubt it.Have a nice day

We don't know if he will miss games. He's missed a decent amount the past 2 seasons and we don't know if that will continue. But to answer your hypothetical question hiring the employee that misses time but is still 8th in production across the entire industry at his position still seems to make sense.

[SunsetBengal]

(02-15-2025, 02:58 PM)Synric Wrote: Top 5 defense. 

Good teams are always top of the charts in some way or another. Bengals have one of the better offenses in the NFL. They also let their defensive slip in most areas including the egregious DL choices.  Bengals need to maintain their offense while improving the defense.

Right, but maintaining their offense can also mean improving the OL and rushing side of the game. It doesn't mean that they need to throw exorbitant money at just the QB and WR position. One dimensional offenses typically don't fare as well as balanced attacks in Championship level play.

[*Synric*]

(02-15-2025, 03:30 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Right, but maintaining their offense can also mean improving the OL and rushing side of the game. It doesn't mean that they need to throw exorbitant money at just the QB and WR position. One dimensional offenses typically don't fare as well as balanced attacks in Championship level play.

If it isn't money it's draft captial which is close to the same thing. Either way as long as Joe Burrow is the QB getting 5 guys into routes is going to be the norm so any offensive skill position will be a position of need. Mike Tomlin put it best Joe is going to get everyone around him paid.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(02-15-2025, 11:27 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: nate..I get that because you have posted on this Board like a zillion times..its like how dare anyone else come on here and have the audacity to respectfully disaggree with you.I enjoy Bengals debate and I think we are blessed to have an NFL team in this city..But, I deal with facts nor do I claim to know what players , coaches and Bengals heirarchy is thinking..1).That being said, we have serious problems on defense and on the offensive line..As such the team made changes 2) Higgins when healthy is a very good receiver..Unfortunately, he does have chronic tendionapthy and this was not caused by injury  and with the physical beating you take playing football it does not get better..If this team cannot find other receivers that can run 10-15 yd routes and take the pressure off chase..then ..I dont what to say..3) Burrow is a cool dude and very good quarterback..when healthy..And one can only hope that management respects his feelings..Yet, "leadership" is not standing in front of press reporters and voicing concerns and disatisfaction 4) there are many tough quarterbacks in the NFL that also take a beating..but fact of the matter is that this team has gone 18-16 the past two seasons ..and Burrows play at times has contributed to such...And this brings us back to square one..Love the bengals..love burrow..etc... but we are not a very good team now and many changes have to be made..You and I just dont agree  how and thats ok

Eric... I get that you don't want Tee here and I understand why (he is often injured and will miss 5 or 6 games a year) but Joe Burrow wants him 
back and he said he would do a restructure to keep his guys here. Tee is one of the ones he mentions. Personally, I would tag Tee and trade him
for something. But if we bring him back Tee's contract will need to be filled with incentives for how much he plays.

If Tee is injured all the time, it shouldn't cost us much with the incentive laden contract. If he stays healthy, great and he makes a lot of money and
we are a far more effective passing Offense.