You guys need to get ready for the possibility that we don’t sign Tee OR Trey

[Au165]

(02-27-2025, 04:25 PM)Synric Wrote: Didn't see that. That would leave the Raiders maybe at #37. Then maybe the Chargers at #55 but I don't think Harbaugh wants to spend that much on a receiver. Carolina at #57. Options dry up fast.

Carolina at 57 is most likely to me. He may be willing to be reasonable to get back close to home in terms of his deal too.

[Au165]

(02-27-2025, 04:56 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: This could be because Bengal's price is high. I may be wrong, but i think Bengals will ask and get a 1st round pick for Tee if the decide to trade him. I count 14 potential suiters for Tee Higgins, that is a ton of WR needy teams in. year when not 1 sure fire #1 WR in the 2025 draft and a weak FA #1 WR pool as well.

Again, the report was teams were down on HIS value not what the Bengals would ask. It sounds like the league isn't as high on him because of his contract demands tied with his availability. They believe he knows a desperate team in FA would pay him potentially $30 a year and they don't want to give up assets to essentially match that price.

[higgy100]

(02-27-2025, 01:38 AM)Housh Wrote: We’ve all seen these offseasons play out.

I got told i was crazy yesterday cause most fans think we’re signing Tee OR Trey but i wanna be the 1st to say it……we ain’t extending EITHER.


If anyone really cares and want to know why i think this i will explain but to me it’s obvious we are moving on from both when their contact ends.

Agree. Duke saying all the right things publicly but he always throws a subtly in there or some sort of rhetoric but the blame will naturally go to the players and their greed.

[SunsetBengal]

(02-27-2025, 04:56 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: This could be because Bengal's price is high. I may be wrong, but i think Bengals will ask and get a 1st round pick for Tee if the decide to trade him. I count 14 potential suiters for Tee Higgins, that is a ton of WR needy teams in. year when not 1 sure fire #1 WR in the 2025 draft and a weak FA #1 WR pool as well.

The report mentioned that due to Tee's soft tissue injury history that dates all the way back to his College days, some decision makers are saying that he's not worth what a bidding war with other teams would cost in a contract.  We'll find out soon which way it ends.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(02-27-2025, 01:38 AM)Housh Wrote: We’ve all seen these offseasons play out.

I got told i was crazy yesterday cause most fans think we’re signing Tee OR Trey but i wanna be the 1st to say it……we ain’t extending EITHER.


If anyone really cares and want to know why i think this i will explain but to me it’s obvious we are moving on from both when their contact ends.

Highly doubt both are gone. Trey is here unless he sits out. Tee is here unless he refuses to sign the tag that we will offer him.

Maybe one gets traded, but I find it more likely that both are here this season than both don't get signed by the Bengals. Joe wants 
it done, Duke has said they will get it done. Tee's contract has ended, so if he refuses to sign the tag and tests FA he is the most likely
one to not be extended.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(02-27-2025, 01:51 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: AJ Brown was traded for picks 18 and 101 then signed for 4 year $100 million contract.  I would say this is the water mark for T.  Read this as any rd 1 in the back half.  2 number two picks maybe.

I don’t have reasonable comp trade comps for Trey off the top of my head

AJ Brown was on a 1yr/~$1m deal when he got traded.
Tee will be on a 1yr/$26m deal if he gets tagged and traded.

You give AJ Brown a 4yr/$100m extension and he's now under team control for 5yr/$101m. ($20.2m/yr)
You give Tee a 4yr/$100m extension and he's now under team control for 5yr/$126m. ($25.2m/yr)

That's a large difference in value. You're essentially getting an extra free year of control.

[QueenCity]

(02-27-2025, 04:56 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: This could be because Bengal's price is high. I may be wrong, but i think Bengals will ask and get a 1st round pick for Tee if the decide to trade him. I count 14 potential suiters for Tee Higgins, that is a ton of WR needy teams in. year when not 1 sure fire #1 WR in the 2025 draft and a weak FA #1 WR pool as well.

Imagine being able to use two 1st round picks on the defense. Makes me giddy inside.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(02-27-2025, 05:09 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: AJ Brown was on a 1yr/~$1m deal when he got traded.
Tee will be on a 1yr/$26m deal if he gets tagged and traded.

You give AJ Brown a 4yr/$100m extension and he's now under team control for 5yr/$101m. ($20.2m/yr)
You give Tee a 4yr/$100m extension and he's now under team control for 5yr/$126m. ($25.2m/yr)

That's a large difference in value. You're essentially getting an extra free year of control.

And Tee isn't as good as AJ Brown is, AJ Brown is a true #1 WR and maybe top 5 overall when healthy.

[BenZoo2]

(02-27-2025, 05:09 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: AJ Brown was on a 1yr/~$1m deal when he got traded.
Tee will be on a 1yr/$26m deal if he gets tagged and traded.

You give AJ Brown a 4yr/$100m extension and he's now under team control for 5yr/$101m. ($20.2m/yr)
You give Tee a 4yr/$100m extension and he's now under team control for 5yr/$126m. ($25.2m/yr)

That's a large difference in value. You're essentially getting an extra free year of control.

Very fair point.  I was only pointing out that example as an at most we could hope for thing.  Anyone thinking we’re getting two ones or a one and a two  are misguided imho.

[pulses]

(02-27-2025, 05:03 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The report mentioned that due to Tee's soft tissue injury history that dates all the way back to his College days, some decision makers are saying that he's not worth what a bidding war with other teams would cost in a contract.  We'll find out soon which way it ends.

I agree. I love Tee but I wouldn't pay him anything close to 30/yr. I would tag and trade for the best package I could get if it comes to that.

[SunsetBengal]

(02-27-2025, 06:05 PM)pulses Wrote: I agree. I love Tee but I wouldn't pay him anything close to 30/yr. I would tag and trade for the best package I could get if it comes to that.

I have a feeling that with some teams not as interested as they appeared to be, Tee will have to make a business decision on weather he wants max money from a team in rebuild mode or if he's willing to settle for a little less for the prospect of winning. The fact that this team was able to make it to the Superbowl after the 2021 season could play a factor in that decision making process. I've said previously that Tee on a $23-25M/per deal is very appealing, compared to chancing more lost time from injuries at $30M/per.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(02-27-2025, 06:46 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I have a feeling that with some teams not as interested as they appeared to be, Tee will have to make a business decision on weather he wants max money from a team in rebuild mode or if he's willing to settle for a little less for the prospect of winning. The fact that this team was able to make it to the Superbowl after the 2021 season could play a factor in that decision making process. I've said previously that Tee on a $23-25M/per deal is very appealing, compared to chancing more lost time from injuries at $30M/per.

All good thoughts Sunset. I know one thing, Tee knows he has the QB for winning the entire thing in Joe. That sure as heck cannot be said for many 
of the teams that are interested.

[Ell Prez]

(02-27-2025, 02:54 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: tag and trade

Well I love your optimism, young and faithful.

[Ell Prez]

(02-27-2025, 05:14 PM)QueenCity Wrote: Imagine being able to use two 1st round picks on the defense. Makes me giddy inside.

How has that gone for us lately? Myles Murphy, Dax Hill. The last good first round Defensive pick was Jonathan Joseph in 2006.

Murphy- hasn’t proven his worth yet
Hill- after 4 years he’s just okay
William Jackson- 1 good year
Darquez Dennard- bust
Dre Kirkpatrick- a lot like CTB, up and down and not all that good
Keith rivers- lmao bust
Leon Hall- he was good
Jonathan Joseph- he was even better



Sadly this is why I’m for keeping Tee. Because we actually hit on a draft pick, and not just like, oh he’s an nfl starter. He’s actually really good.

I’m not stupid, I know that signing a $30M wr2 who has injury issues is a luxury we can’t afford. But sadly, we more so cant afford to lose top talent when there isn’t much historical evidence that the Bengals front office can sign or draft talent as good as Tee Higgins. We’ve obviously hit in the draft, but lately we’ve been missing pretty big and it’s affected the roster and you can see it with the record and state of the roster.

[ERIC1]

(02-27-2025, 05:14 PM)QueenCity Wrote: Imagine being able to use two 1st round picks on the defense. Makes me giddy inside.

and to extrapolate that even further..take one of those first round picks  and trade it for additional later round picks

[ERIC1]

(02-28-2025, 09:29 AM)Ell Prez Wrote: How has that gone for us lately? Myles Murphy, Dax Hill. The last good first round Defensive pick was Jonathan Joseph in 2006.

Murphy- hasn’t proven his worth yet
Hill- after 4 years he’s just okay
William Jackson- 1 good year
Darquez Dennard- bust
Dre Kirkpatrick- a lot like CTB, up and down and not all that good
Keith rivers- lmao bust
Leon Hall- he was good
Jonathan Joseph- he was even better



Sadly this is why I’m for keeping Tee. Because we actually hit on a draft pick, and not just like, oh he’s an nfl starter. He’s actually really good.

I’m not stupid, I know that signing a $30M wr2 who has injury issues is a luxury we can’t afford. But sadly, we more so cant afford to lose top talent when there isn’t much historical evidence that the Bengals front office can sign or draft talent as good as Tee Higgins. We’ve obviously hit in the draft, but lately we’ve been missing pretty big and it’s affected the roster and you can see it with the record and state of the roster.

hmm..we hit on joe Burrow , Chase and a few other good players...so your reasoning is we keep higgins ...even though we know he is going to miss beaucoup amount  of games..even though we have serious deficiencies all over the team.... because this team is not capable of drafting good players......unreal

[ERIC1]

(02-28-2025, 01:10 AM)Ell Prez Wrote: Well I love your optimism, young and faithful.

thank you..just being real...1) you dont spend 25-30 million on a number 2 receiver that is often injured..2) get a 1st or second round draft pick by trading him  3) use aforemetioned pick to get more picks in lower rounds..4) bengals only have 6 picks this year

[SunsetBengal]

(02-28-2025, 10:45 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: thank you..just being real...1) you dont spend 25-30 million on a number 2 receiver that is often injured..2) get a 1st or second round draft pick by trading him  3) use aforemetioned pick to get more picks in lower rounds..4) bengals only have 6 picks this year

I'm not sure I'd be for trading picks for more later round picks. The Bengals have had drafts with an abundance of later round selections, and they typically produce very few long term/quality starters. If they were able to trade Higgins for another pick in the top 50, I think that we'd be more likely to see at least 3-4 long term, quality starters, with a couple of them being day 1 contributors, result from this draft.

[Ell Prez]

(02-28-2025, 10:42 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: hmm..we hit on joe Burrow , Chase and a few other good players...so your reasoning is we keep higgins ...even though we know he is going to miss beaucoup amount  of games..even though we have serious deficiencies all over the team.... because this team is not capable of drafting good players......unreal

Yeah I said we hit on picks. Do you think we’ve done a good job drafting the past 20, 10, 5 years? Have we done a good job drafting defense in round 1?

And it’s 100% my reason for wanting to keep Tee. I’m fairly certain what the alternative is. It’s another Rankins and Stone in FA and a bust in round 2. If you’re going to predict the future of Tee’s health based on historical evidence, it’s fair to predict the future of how we manage the cap space and draft picks. That is equally a part of the equation as Tee’s health concerns.

[WeezyBengal]

If you're going to trade someone, you trade Hendrickson.

Trey is a good player, but his best years are MOST LIKELY behind him, or they will be by the time his would be extension is up. He's hitting the 30 year old age curve. In no way do you extend him.

Trade him now, get a fridge day 1 pick, then extend Higgins. This is the path.