Happy Tampering Day

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(03-11-2025, 10:54 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Daniels signed with Miami.

You are correct. I meant Jenkins. My bad. Our conversation from earlier is bleeding through.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-11-2025, 01:06 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I've been waiting to see that name pop up.

Ricky Baker 

[Whatever]

(03-11-2025, 12:54 PM)Synric Wrote: This is untrue. 

You are confusing "playing better than they were early in the season" with playing Good. 

Yeah, I mean, they played well enough to win with great support from the offense, but I wouldn't say they played well.  

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(03-11-2025, 12:39 PM)The D.O.Z. Wrote: I’m pretty disappointed thus far, even with the Gesecki and Hill extensions. I’m *meh* on Perine coming back. And I’m underwhelmed by the Slayton and Oren signings, but understand their depth and needed for filling out a roster. But the Big 3 situations are handicapping us from going out and signing a GOOD guard. Or making a move for a rotational Edge for LDE. Or planning for *worst case scenario* in the event Trey is traded or held to his current contract and holds-in / out and finding a guy who can play RDE. Their inability to get some of these things done LAST season is really coming back to bite them in the ass big time.

I am largely with you. I do like the Burks deal a LOT. I like Perine. Slaton is a starter. They did not pay him $15 mil for 2 years to be the 2nd string 2 down NT. Thought we overpaid slightly for Gesicki, Hill, & Ossai, but not by a ton. And we needed all three back. Gesicki & Hill played atca good level and Ossai came on late. 

I never expected us to play in the deep end of the pool at DE/DT in FA. I would have preferred Campbell to Slaton, but he is 38. It is a good/deep draft for pass rushing DTs and EDGE guys. I will be shocked if we don't take 1 of each by round 4. 

DT: Hill, Slaton + pick + Jenkins & Jackson
DE: Hendrickson + pick + Ossai & Murphy + C. Johnson.

I think that is what we are looking at. At #17, I think we want to take BPA if a stud guy falls (Walker at LB/Edge, Warren at TE, Johnson at CB, Jeanty at RB, or even Campbell/Membou if they think they are G's). 

Absent that, the just take BPA. Nolen/Harmon/Grant at DT. Emmanwori at SS. Starks at FS/slot. Stewart or Williams at DE (though I'd avoid both). A more productive Edge (Green, Pearce, Scourton). Booker or Jackson at G. Loveland at TE. Campbell at LB. 

You could trade down & get most of those guys. And I am OK with any of them save the traits but little production guys. 

But we need a starting G in FA. At least 1 if not 2.

[007BengalsFan]

(03-11-2025, 11:49 AM)Synric Wrote: Bengals may be in on Teven Jenkins according to Ricky lol.

That would be a positive move signing Teven Jenkins.  The only concern I have with that signing is can he stay healthy

[Lucius Cincinnatus]

(03-11-2025, 12:23 AM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I SAID it is more proven than a rookie. Would you of wanted us to not sign a single EDGE?

I don't think you give a **** about the Bengals. You would rather they suck so you could complain more.

Ossai got messed up mentally after the AFC Championship Mahomes push and he just finally got over it.

Get over yourself.

Here is what you originally said 

"Nate (formerly eliminate08)

Love it. Ossai being back really helps as we have a proven pass rusher when he is healthy, better than anyone else we got so far.

I don't complain. I just speak out against blatant homerism which puts you in your feelings. As I said on the Ossai thread, I like the signing. I just completely disagree with anyone claiming he is a "proven pass rusher" which is what you originally said. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-11-2025, 01:52 PM)Lucius Cincinnatus Wrote: Here is what you originally said 

"Nate (formerly eliminate08)

Love it. Ossai being back really helps as we have a proven pass rusher when he is healthy, better than anyone else we got so far.

I don't complain. I just speak out against blatant homerism which puts you in your feelings. As I said on the Ossai thread, I like the signing. I just completely disagree with anyone claiming he is a "proven pass rusher" which is what you originally said. 

He is proven. He has shown he can rush the passer in the NFL. Are you disagreeing with this?

A rookie is not proven. If we didn't bring back Ossai we would HAVE to Draft an End early or we would be incredibly thin even with Trey back.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(03-11-2025, 01:43 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: That would be a positive move signing Teven Jenkins.  The only concern I have with that signing is can he stay healthy

Agreed. Has played both sides, but LG last year. 

But we do have Volson/Ford in reserve. 

PFF: 75.4 overall (18/135), pass 75.8 (15/135), run 74.3 (20/135). 

I like that he is pretty proficient in pass pro & run block. Not a guy who is good at one but not the other (OBJ & Karras). But he does have a rep for making big whiffs from time to time. But it isn't like Cappa/Volson/Ford don't do that. 

I'd be thrilled. He is a starting caliber LG. 738 snaps, though. He misses time. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-11-2025, 01:57 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Agreed. Has played both sides, but LG last year. 

But we do have Volson/Ford in reserve. 

PFF: 75.4 overall (18/135), pass 75.8 (15/135), run 74.3 (20/135). 

I like that he is pretty proficient in pass pro & run block. Not a guy who is good at one but not the other (OBJ & Karras). But he does have a rep for making big whiffs from time to time. But it isn't like Cappa/Volson/Ford don't do that. 

I'd be thrilled. He is a starting caliber LG. 738 snaps, though. He misses time. 

Bring in Tevin and Zeit/Scherff and I am happy.

[Whatever]

(03-11-2025, 01:57 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Agreed. Has played both sides, but LG last year. 

But we do have Volson/Ford in reserve. 

PFF: 75.4 overall (18/135), pass 75.8 (15/135), run 74.3 (20/135). 

I like that he is pretty proficient in pass pro & run block. Not a guy who is good at one but not the other (OBJ & Karras). But he does have a rep for making big whiffs from time to time. But it isn't like Cappa/Volson/Ford don't do that. 

I'd be thrilled. He is a starting caliber LG. 738 snaps, though. He misses time. 

9.74 RAS definitely would indicate they are moving away from Pollack's philosophy of big, unathletic "glass eaters" and trying to increase the athleticism of the OL.

[RunKijanaRun]

We need to get busy.

[007BengalsFan]

(03-11-2025, 02:07 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Bring in Tevin and Zeit/Scherff and I am happy.

Im not sure they have the cap space to sign two guards.  I think the most realistic option is one free agent guard and one draft pick.  It would not surprise me the Bengals think Volson and Ford are good enough and they dont end up signing any free agent guards.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-11-2025, 02:15 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Im not sure they have the cap space to sign two guards.  I think the most realistic option is one free agent guard and one draft pick.  It would not surprise me the Bengals think Volson and Ford are good enough and they dont end up signing any free agent guards.

Well that would be stupid and this is coming from a so called homer that backed Volson for the first 2 years.

If this is the case we sure are asking a lot from our new OL coach. I liked what Ford shown as a backup but Volson was terrible last season
and shown backup play at best. We need starting play at worst from our IOL in front of our franchise QB. I don't know what the hell is going 
on if they stick with Volson and Ford as starters. A rookie is not going to come in and help the team.

[Southpaw Frerotte]

(03-11-2025, 01:56 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: He is proven. He has shown he can rush the passer in the NFL. Are you disagreeing with this?

A rookie is not proven. If we didn't bring back Ossai we would HAVE to Draft an End early or we would be incredibly thin even with Trey back.

Lol I suppose that's one way to look at it.  I guess one could argue the Bengals should sign Julius Peppers out of retirement, since he's a proven pass rusher in your definition.  

From my view point, it simply looks like the Bengals are trying to run-it-back with a 9-8 team that had glaring holes all over their roster (pass rush included) meanwhile giving their star players a cold shoulder when it comes to contract negotiations.   This offseason has Cockburn written all over it and I just pray this isn't the norm going forward with those two at the helm.  

[Luvnit2]

(03-11-2025, 02:15 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Im not sure they have the cap space to sign two guards.  I think the most realistic option is one free agent guard and one draft pick.  It would not surprise me the Bengals think Volson and Ford are good enough and they dont end up signing any free agent guards.

Bengals have almost 230 million in cap space in 2026. Yes, if FO gets creative and pushes money from 2025 to 2026, we are in great position to sign 2 guards. They could restructure Joe's contract and that money alone would provide the cap for 2 new guards.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(03-11-2025, 02:15 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Im not sure they have the cap space to sign two guards.  I think the most realistic option is one free agent guard and one draft pick.  It would not surprise me the Bengals think Volson and Ford are good enough and they dont end up signing any free agent guards.

Given their ages, Zeit/Scherff should be pretty moderate cap hits.

Assuming we don't have a big S/CB/LB/DE move to make (Justin Reid?), it looks like G is it for now. 

But we can still cut Moss. Signing Tee & extending Chase would free some space. As would a Burrow restructure. Do all those things and another $30 mil in space appears.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(03-11-2025, 11:40 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: This off-season is starting off spectacularly bad.

In no way is any part of this team improved. The defensive line is still a mess, we have 3 unhappy super stars, and we currently dont have a starting guard on the roster. All while tier 1, 2 options are pretty much gone. 

What in the actual **** is going on?

Same as it ever was.....

[coachmcneil71]

According to what I just read I think we are going to see some movement on the guard front today. I heard Jenkins, Big Z, Whirfs, Becton, Friers, and a couple of others mentioned.
Yesterday there was very little movement on IOL around the league.. Sounds like today is the day for several teams to get on it.

[THE PISTONS]

(03-11-2025, 01:52 PM)Lucius Cincinnatus Wrote: Here is what you originally said 

"Nate (formerly eliminate08)

Love it. Ossai being back really helps as we have a proven pass rusher when he is healthy, better than anyone else we got so far.

I don't complain. I just speak out against blatant homerism which puts you in your feelings. As I said on the Ossai thread, I like the signing. I just completely disagree with anyone claiming he is a "proven pass rusher" which is what you originally said. 

Yep. Ossai is a guy with 9.5 sacks in 4 years.

I will say that he did come on last year when given playing time.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(03-11-2025, 02:27 PM)Southpaw Frerotte Wrote: Lol I suppose that's one way to look at it.  I guess one could argue the Bengals should sign Julius Peppers out of retirement, since he's a proven pass rusher in your definition.  

From my view point, it simply looks like the Bengals are trying to run-it-back with a 9-8 team that had glaring holes all over their roster (pass rush included) meanwhile giving their star players a cold shoulder when it comes to contract negotiations.   This offseason has Cockburn written all over it and I just pray this isn't the norm going forward with those two at the helm.  

Have you ever heard the expression, "When you are in a hole, stop digging?" 

I think priority #1 was not to lose any of our main/best guys. 

Though it is not the way we wanted, nor the way to maximize cap space, Chase/Trey/Tee are under team control. They cannot leave atm. 

BJ Hill, Gesicki, and Ossai all contributed last year. Hill & Gesticki at good levels. 

The only real contributors we lost are Hilton and ADG. Burks is a cheaper/better ADG replacement. And though Mike is an elite run defending corner, THE elite run defending corner, the coverage is starting to slip. He is still unsigned, BTW. 

Slaton is an upgrade to Jenkins/Jackson as a run stopper. A starter forca good run D in GB for 2 years. 

We cut some dead weight in Rankins, Cappa, Hubbard. 

Upgrading G, nailing the draft, and getting the Tee/Chase/Trey deals right, and a Burrow restructure will allow some more moves, if we want. But I think getting younger/cheaper/more athletic is the way for a lot of D improvements. 

There is still time to get this right.